2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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23. Yes, if I read it. Because I take these as repeated

Sat Dec 17, 2016, 04:03 PM

Dec 2016

attempts to pretend the loss is really mostly the campaign's fault, and ignore reality. As opposed to acknowledging a corruption of this election that amounts to oversetting the democratic process by multiple enormous opposing forces, including what are almost certainly multiple treasonous acts by the FBI.

In the same way, I respond to all attempts to deny the reality that H won a 2.8 million popular vote majority by claiming she was "unpopular," "carrying too much baggage," etc. These days all presidential races are close, but her margin larger than most.

And the supposed "baggage" was fake (i.e., lies) and was manufactured and schlepped by those same opposing forces. What is the purpose of coming here to pretend it was not?

All except, of course, for the one enormous weight she was carrying up that mountain: Her gender. That was huge. To some people it still is.

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Just wondering...is any reference to not campaigning in WI., not sending extra help to MI and PA, [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2016 OP

'What I've said is that I can maybe give some counsel advice to the Democratic Party. elleng Dec 2016 #1

Thank you for the text... I feel like I'm Lostnote Dec 2016 #6

You're welcome, Lostnote. elleng Dec 2016 #7

Thanks for that. The most important thing is that the party leadership Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #15

You're welcome, Crunchy. elleng Dec 2016 #19

It's just as valid as saying the BOBs hurt by carrying the Wiki water, sure. bettyellen Dec 2016 #2

I didn't even mention economics in the OP. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #5

""The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class" emulatorloo Dec 2016 #37

"She detailed plans to help coal miners and steel workers." CBHagman Dec 2016 #39

Actually, it was ALL about economics. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #10

What's so terrible ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #3

In my OP I acknowledged that there were factors beyond the campaign's control Ken Burch Dec 2016 #4

How many OP's have you made on this topic? I think you've made your point enough.nt pnwmom Dec 2016 #9

My point is simply that we should be open to learning from our experiences. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #11

But we're learning the wrong thing if you think she could have somehow done pnwmom Dec 2016 #12

It's not about what SHE did...it's about what the campaign did. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #24

No, it's a complete waste of time. What we should be doing "better for next time" pnwmom Dec 2016 #28

Why can't we do BOTH? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #29

Because what you want to do is a backhanded way of blaming Hillary/her campaign -- pnwmom Dec 2016 #30

It's beyond tiresome, isn't it? zappaman Dec 2016 #32

Ken, TexasTowelie Dec 2016 #13

The reason he says he is not bashing the nominee killbotfactory Dec 2016 #22

Yeah. That's the reason. kcr Dec 2016 #31

Well said T riversedge Dec 2016 #36

Well stated Texas still_one Dec 2016 #38

Great post Gothmog Dec 2016 #41

By definition, things that are beyond our control are beyond our control. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #16

Hillary lost by less than 1% in those states, so Comey's interference was critical. pnwmom Dec 2016 #8

I also believe that Comey was the crucial piece, and it points back to the Dems' Nay Dec 2016 #18

As David Duke has retweeted, Donnie loves Tulsi! synergie Dec 2016 #21

For some posters here, yes. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #14

The Clinton campaign had no asteroid contingencies, either, I hear. Orsino Dec 2016 #17

Just wondering where in MI you were present that you thought "extra help" was needed? synergie Dec 2016 #20

Yes, if I read it. Because I take these as repeated Hortensis Dec 2016 #23

We can either try to appeal to more voters, or.... come up with new ways to insult them. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #25

For the record...the last think I would EVER want to do... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #27

We need to stop being afraid to stand for things, for sure. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #34

You know if people kacekwl Dec 2016 #26

As I've written elsewhere, some seem to conflate 2 different arguments. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #33

Another strawman, Ken emulatorloo Dec 2016 #35

Yep Gothmog Dec 2016 #40

""The campaign was flawless." NCTraveler Dec 2016 #42