2016 Postmortem

Aimee in OKC

(160 posts)

111. Voting machines & vulnerability

Sat Dec 17, 2016, 05:15 PM

Dec 2016

The first two don't have any 'downcheck' from VerifiedVoting, but the 3rd & 4th do have some security concerns noted on their pages.

1. Hart InterCivic -- Verity Scan = Optical Scan ( + )
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/hart-intercivic/verity-scan-verity-touch-writer-and-verity-central/

2. Unisyn Voting Solution -- OpenElect OVO = Optical Scan ( + )
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/unisyn/openelect/

3. Dominion Voting Systems -- ImageCast Precinct = Optical Scan ( -4 )
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/dominion/imagecast/

4. Election Systems & Soft. -- DS200 = Optical Scan ( -6 ) {used by one city}
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/ds200/

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(There are cities & counties in the state which have DRE Touchscreen & Push-button machines.)

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Critical Discovery During Wisconsin Recount: Cellular Connectivity of Tabulators [View all] Coyotl Dec 2016 OP

But recount lawyers not given triron Dec 2016 #1

No one gets to see the secret code owned by the ultra-right vote counting corporations. Coyotl Dec 2016 #2

And that's exactly where the cyber scientists triron Dec 2016 #3

they should have done it a long time ago, but they are blocked by GOP every step of the way. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #11

+ 1,000 Achilleaze Dec 2016 #7

Many, many years! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #19

Why spend money on a costly ground game SticksnStones Dec 2016 #26

Exactly. The Dem leadership's failure to demand that this issue be corrected has Nay Dec 2016 #104

I may get killed here for his but there were anomalies in the democratic primaries elehhhhna Dec 2016 #129

You're not going to get killed for saying that. The very fact that Dems don't fight Nay Dec 2016 #130

Welcome to the Democratic Underground! Kolesar Dec 2016 #102

yep; it is a f*cking joke. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #10

Urosevich brothers are the evil behind these machines. alfredo Dec 2016 #12

nothing to see here folks, move along... nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #39

The fact that our voting machines are controlled by "secret propiratary software" is Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #34

And the coders have an agenda, that is not consistent with our secular constitution. alfredo Dec 2016 #70

Not sure I understand the issue HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #4

treason, end of story. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #9

+ 1,000 Achilleaze Dec 2016 #105

With optical scan tabulators, a recount would make this connectivity meaningless. Thor_MN Dec 2016 #17

Anything communicating over a network has bidirectional protocols hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #23

And possibly a back door in the code. How would we know if we don't get to see the secret code? Coyotl Dec 2016 #48

Poll observers looked at the ballots as they came out of the machines and compared the counts to the AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #67

Except, they don't necessarily count every vote, and they aren't double checked by humans. Coyotl Dec 2016 #100

I'm not talking about hand counting. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #123

it was nice of the Repubs to allow Obama to win twice..... frankieallen Dec 2016 #78

knr triron Dec 2016 #5

Our Election Procedures Are A Joke colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #6

i'm shocked... not. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #8

For the 99th time, this is no discovery and it is not news DFW Dec 2016 #13

I closed an argument with a local elections official, who believed the voting machines were safe, SharonAnn Dec 2016 #22

Your argument is nonsense. OldRedneck Dec 2016 #28

Just out of curiosity, OldRedneck ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #32

no reply from redneck zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #44

Voting machines & vulnerability Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #111

Your argument is nonsense Coyotl Dec 2016 #49

Let me guess the response DFW Dec 2016 #30

And yet no white hat hackers left one of these machines showing 99999999 for Trump and 0 for Hillary AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #52

I believe there was a county in WI that had over 100% turnout. KamaAina Dec 2016 #115

That can happen naturally. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #122

yep; the machines are working exactly as intended. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #92

Jim March ... Bev... same cast different election. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #14

As long as voting machines are owned by right-wing corporations Rex Dec 2016 #15

Not only owned DFW Dec 2016 #95

This is why I doubt every election after 2000. Rex Dec 2016 #112

Our credibility wasn't exactly enhanced DFW Dec 2016 #117

Spot on. Rex Dec 2016 #118

It is called a backdoor Botany Dec 2016 #16

exactly. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #40

Cellular connectivity is available as an option on my CPAP machine too. So what. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #18

it's not zero. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #31

Says who? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #51

Like I got time to school you ... keep up or don't post Ellipsis Dec 2016 #55

Sorry, I don't read Fox News. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #56

ah. and I posted it just for *you* Ellipsis Dec 2016 #58

R/The_Donald? You'r really good at finding crazy right wing sources. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #59

yeah you got me.. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #60

Or, you could just use a reputable source. Or a non-right wing source. Use whichever adjective you AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #62

Why? Ellipsis Dec 2016 #63

Because I read the fucking rules. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #64

You misconstrue the point. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #68

So that's five machines. In a county other than the one in question here. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #74

Why does a machine in a rural county need a modem? Ellipsis Dec 2016 #76

Hand counting occurred. That's why these optical machines are superior to touchscreens. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #79

You may pass Ellipsis Dec 2016 #81

I tend to agree on the speed of results piece. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #83

I doubt many are installed. But they pitch hard on thier product page. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #85

Instant gratification society. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #87

what makes you think that the installation of cell capability would be "recorded" anywhere? TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #93

Cell calls generate cell bills which get paid by ??? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #103

maybe, but who's going to be checking? we can't even get the votes looked at. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #110

The election board handles, inspects, programs, and controls the physical access to these machines. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #125

I'm also angry at the cognitive dissonance. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #80

Sorry I reject the premmise. Later dude. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #82

As I reject the premise that these machines are quite so vulnerable as the other posters in this AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #84

Sure. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #86

Snopes has debunked this as FALSE forthemiddle Dec 2016 #71

Tampering yes... Installed modem cards no. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #72

"The seals were broken by the technician who came to install the modem in each machine. . . . '' ucrdem Dec 2016 #57

THIS n/t Coyotl Dec 2016 #101

Hi, I'm new here but... RealityChik Dec 2016 #116

Indeed. Coyotl Dec 2016 #119

Awww... come here you. Welcome to DU Ellipsis Dec 2016 #121

wow, you sure are a trusting soul... nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #41

No, i'm a skeptic. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #53

This is exactly the "unintended" flaw that just sank a bill imposing electronic voting in Argentina tenorly Dec 2016 #20

It's not a 'flaw', it's an option you have to BUY. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #21

I'm sure buying such a thing would be cinch for the GOP and its fellow travelers. tenorly Dec 2016 #24

They have to be purchased and installed by the election board. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #25

Memory cards in numerous WI voting machines were in fact shown to have been tampered with. tenorly Dec 2016 #27

Links? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #54

The oengths ppl are going to to deny any weakness in our candidate is breathtaking... dionysus Dec 2016 #43

As are the lenghts people are going to insist on attacking the candidate with a historic number synergie Dec 2016 #73

Her weakness, IMO lies in hillary the candidate, not the president she would have been. dionysus Dec 2016 #88

65 million people, and tens of thousands of others whose votes were not counted synergie Dec 2016 #107

You are so right! triron Dec 2016 #108

No russian misinformation had to do with my mom voting for Trump. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #126

Yes, that's a ton of people. However, in a sane country we'd be talking about the biggestst dionysus Dec 2016 #120

Kind of tells you how good the "anti-establishment" sales people were. They were just synergie Dec 2016 #131

seriously??? OMG. nevermind... nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #94

Yes, seriously. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #124

More than this triron Dec 2016 #29

K r voteearlyvoteoften Dec 2016 #33

As soon as I used the phrase "cellular connectivity" to my husband, he said: pnwmom Dec 2016 #35

Did you two discuss this triron Dec 2016 #36

No, I just emailed him the article a couple minutes ago. pnwmom Dec 2016 #37

From wikipedia triron Dec 2016 #38

It is not a matter of who votes but who gets to count the vote UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #42

no reply from redneck zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #45

"Waterboarding" would be helpful in solving this! dmosh42 Dec 2016 #46

NY uses these machines and I've always vouched for their security. Well shit... LLStarks Dec 2016 #47

We need to go back to the old, mechanical, lever voting machines NY used to have brush Dec 2016 #61

There are a variety of tried and tested means to hack a mechanical voting system. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #65

Don't see how you'd hack those old lever ones since they are not on networks. brush Dec 2016 #69

Chaining ballots is one of many methods, and could be considered 'hacking'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #75

Remember the modem excuse for the broken seals ? ucrdem Dec 2016 #50

From snopes AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #66

Snopes quotes the official admission: "ES&S sent out a technician to install modems in the scanners" ucrdem Dec 2016 #90

We should just ask Carl Rove. He knows! rainy Dec 2016 #77

Statement by Loretta Lynch about voting machine hacks. Exilednight Dec 2016 #89

well, i guess it's all goood then... NOT!!! nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #97

WI election officials admit they installed modems in the voting machines, per Snopes: ucrdem Dec 2016 #91

Game. F-ing. Over. how can ANYBODY trust these machines?? nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #96

Because the machines passed physical observation by the poll observers. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #127

Are we talking about dialup? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #98

Is it 1986? ucrdem Dec 2016 #99

don't know, but not very much data would need to be sent. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #109

Who exactly is "recount now" - no names, no location given nt Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2016 #106

A new offshot of an Election Integrity group. Jonathan Simon heads it, I think. Coyotl Dec 2016 #114

And the FBI had reported prior to the election... ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #113

Comey should MFM008 Dec 2016 #128