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BREMPRO

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31. And you are spinning history
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 09:39 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Sure NAFTA was not a Clinton creation, but after ghwbush and repuplicans created and initiated it, he took up the agreement after being elected in 92 and negotiated stronger labor and environmental provisions. Clinton fully supported it and signed it into law in Dec93 (despite union opposition) stating that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

The two factors that were shown by exit polling to be slightly more important than economy to rust belt voters who voted for Trump, immigration and terrorism fears, are intertwined with the 30 year legacy of job loss and factory closings. The impression true or not that immigrants were depressing wages and taking jobs, and the terrorism fears as an excuse for blocking immigrants to this county are not inconsistent with the "economy meme" that is more truthful and you are saying has been debunked.

Racism was a factor but many Trump voters voted for Obama in 08 and 12, then Trump 2016?? I believe the racism was partly a campaign mistep overplaying the multicultural, multiethnic, religion rainbow tent that many rural white socially conservative voters felt excluded. Sexism I would agree was also but I don't think as much as been asserted here.

I suggest listing to Van Jones new show- the messy truth- the interviews with rust belt families are revealing and more ti the heart of truthful than 30,000ft statistical analysis.

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Great piece thanks...especially this part: JHan Dec 2016 #1
the media will ignore this research also. riversedge Dec 2016 #2
The media focused mostly PatSeg Dec 2016 #10
Just as the media focused on sanders "they're all corrupt" and "Wall Street" crap bettyellen Dec 2016 #15
Two problems, she may have "talked about" jobs BREMPRO Dec 2016 #11
the Clinton Campaign's ( Particularly Mook) hubris was a problem and Bill's advice was ignored... JHan Dec 2016 #13
Let's rewrite history, shall we? duffyduff Dec 2016 #30
And you are spinning history BREMPRO Dec 2016 #31
Michael Moore needs to see that. duffyduff Dec 2016 #29
No matter how much data there is that she did La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #3
I also blame some Democratic politicians for helping spread the myth.. JHan Dec 2016 #4
yes, as usual, Dems could really benefit from a unified approach without infighting Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #6
Absolutely La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #16
I wrote a whole post about how her actual message got drowned out by negative campaigning hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #7
JOBS!!! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #5
Here are the tables showing what she spoke about the most: Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #8
What Americans heard: Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #9
Thanks for your post 8. This post 9 word cloud polling info is key. Rec. nt. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #32
the problem with hillary's message was.... Takket Dec 2016 #12
right, i remember the comparison when Trump said he would bring coal jobs back an "restore" America BREMPRO Dec 2016 #18
Your question answers itself, of course. Some have created an alternate reality. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #23
Her speeches had enough economics. Her TV ads didn't. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #14
her ads were one dimensional and depressing BREMPRO Dec 2016 #19
You are being highly dishonest here. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #21
i can only speak from my own personal experience BREMPRO Dec 2016 #26
KNR Lucinda Dec 2016 #17
It's extremely clear what those yelling about her ignoring jobs are attempting to do. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #20
Even though they'll lie and say what they want is both La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #22
It's clear what folks like Tim Ryan are trying to do. I'm not so sure about others. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #25
she DID win the votes of those who voted bssed on economic issues JI7 Dec 2016 #24
Admitting that many of the people who voted for him are La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #28
K and R oasis Dec 2016 #27
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