2016 Postmortem

The Velveteen Ocelot

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4. It's not that it doesn't matter - but it doesn't change the result

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:04 AM

Dec 2016

because of the dumb, archaic electoral college. Basically, the way the system is set up means the huge margin in CA doesn't do any good as far as actually winning the election. Once she had a majority of the votes in CA she had all of its electoral votes, but the additional 3 million above the bare majority didn't get her any more electoral votes. The popular vote does matter very much in the sense that it supports the argument that Trump has no mandate.

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"Hillary's popular vote win came from CA." Here's the answer to that: [View all] pnwmom Dec 2016 OP

OK. That works. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #1

And show them this: Coyotl Dec 2016 #32

Both statements are true. Unfortunately that doesn't change the result. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #2

The rigged system remains. But the idea that her popular vote shouldn't matter pnwmom Dec 2016 #3

It's not that it doesn't matter - but it doesn't change the result The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #4

I know. She could be 5 million, even 10 million ahead in the popular vote and still lose. pnwmom Dec 2016 #5

That's still 3 million votes he didn't get, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #7

And with the 7+ million that went 3rd party, that's more than 10 million he didn't get. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #8

Yes, the drumpfs are trying to erase Hillary's popular vote win by Cha Dec 2016 #11

Out here in flyover country, they're STILL saying illegals voted jmowreader Dec 2016 #18

Tell them there are plenty of "illegals" in Texas, too. pnwmom Dec 2016 #20

And Donald Trump's wife was an "illegal". R B Garr Dec 2016 #30

I can see why they came up with it, but in modern times it's dionysus Dec 2016 #24

as much as the trumpenstein crowd doesnt like it, californians are AMERICans too nt msongs Dec 2016 #6

The mere fact that we even have to argue something so obvious only gives tRump's Nazi Party undeserved credibility. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #16

despite the great liberals from Texas DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #9

That's how I feel, too. Let them go if they want to. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #10

Yes, good riddance. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #17

And this is exactly why democrats keep losing Texas. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #39

Hillary won both elections shadowmayor Dec 2016 #12

75,000 votes in Detroit weren't counted? I missed that. pnwmom Dec 2016 #13

Well, there's a big "BUT"... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #15

Spot on LittleGirl Dec 2016 #14

Thanks again Texas. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2016 #19

another response: "Trump's Wisconsin win came from Waukesha County" JustinL Dec 2016 #21

If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops Kilgore Dec 2016 #23

+1. And Texas and those counties are still going to be part of the vote in 2020 onenote Dec 2016 #36

Various machines in those 3 states' counties ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #27

I keep my response to: "Hillary's pop vote majority came from Americans." Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #22

Why did we win TX? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #25

really the whole point of popular vote (vs. electoral college) is that geography doesn't matter. unblock Dec 2016 #26

Thanks deist99 Dec 2016 #28

Why talk about popular vote? As we all know all too well its the electoral vote that counts. Joe941 Dec 2016 #29

Because acknowledging that Hillary won the popular vote -- by far -- takes away pnwmom Dec 2016 #34

tRump doesn't care about mandate - this is a ego trip for him. Joe941 Dec 2016 #37

DT DOES care about it -- enough to lie about it. And we need to point out the lie. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #38

OK. Everyone knows Clinton won the popular vote. YAY! Joe941 Dec 2016 #41

more than 1 out of 10 Americans live in California! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #31

The Democratic party platform won the election, by nearly 3 million votes. Coyotl Dec 2016 #33

Californians matter less BainsBane Dec 2016 #35

It is so weird to hey want us to appeal to republicans. Go left they say! boston bean Dec 2016 #43

And she did much better in Texas than he did in CA book_worm Dec 2016 #40

You mean the state with... lame54 Dec 2016 #42