2016 Postmortem

HopeAgain

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47. Bernie, Hillary, both in the past now; we need someone who can be the better of both...

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 03:59 PM

Dec 2016

I'm thinking Warren can please the establishment left without coming across as an entitled establishment elite like Hillary, and will not come across like a throw-back socialist like Bernie.

Even better, she can deal with the new reality of rough and tumble politics. The only great thing I have heard on the left since the Election was when Warren said "President-elect Trump promised to rebuild our economy for working people, and I offer to put aside our differences and work with him on that task." THAT's what Americans, as a whole, want to hear.

Neither Bernie or Hillary were the right candidates, and the fact we now have the most unfit President-Elect in history stands as proof.

If we are to move on, we do need to recreate the entire image of the Democratic Party. Like it or not, Hillary came across to many Americans on both sides of the political spectrum as the Candidate for the Party of the Elite rather than the Party of the People.

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Horsey: President Sanders? Bernie would have beaten Trump [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

Could Russia have interfered with the primaries, to ensure that HRC was the no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #1

There is nothing that suggests that karynnj Dec 2016 #14

Thanks, this is a very good analysis of the email issue. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #17

Great analysis. My only quibble is: JHan Dec 2016 #79

Whike thwy meddled, i don't tbink thay extended to directly manipulating tbe voting machines. dionysus Dec 2016 #26

You mean by expose how the DNC rigged the primaries against Bernie? jfern Dec 2016 #86

While I liked his odds I also thought Hillary had it locked up NWCorona Dec 2016 #2

He couldn't beat Hillary...n/t asuhornets Dec 2016 #3

Bullshit... SidDithers Dec 2016 #4

The Red Scare tactics would have been accompanied by an assault on his tax plan BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #5

The tax increase would have been particularly problematic with more mature voters radical noodle Dec 2016 #76

Such naive thinking OKNancy Dec 2016 #6

A YUGE One Me. Dec 2016 #54

Still fighting the primary? nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2016 #7

What utter BS. No way the Midwest votes for a socialist. And just look at the R B Garr Dec 2016 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #10

Welcome to DU.... R B Garr Dec 2016 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #13

This is just divisive and well past the sell date. He calls himself a socialist. R B Garr Dec 2016 #24

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Can I try on those blinders? Plucketeer Dec 2016 #73

Same to you. Must be nice to live in a fantasyland where R B Garr Dec 2016 #81

Wait. We gotta be in a time warp Plucketeer Dec 2016 #84

Same to you. R B Garr Dec 2016 #85

"I am a socialist" - in his own voice captured on youtube DrDan Dec 2016 #16

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #34

so you think the GOP would have ignored that clip - got it DrDan Dec 2016 #45

Well, Sanders won Lonusca Dec 2016 #35

This again? Those were open primaries, and there was plenty of shenanigans R B Garr Dec 2016 #48

In other words Lonusca Dec 2016 #49

Clinton won more open primaries than Sanders. lapucelle Dec 2016 #52

"And this argument also assumes that Sanders Lonusca Dec 2016 #66

I wonder if he would have been able to carry my state, NY, given the way lapucelle Dec 2016 #71

You think Sanders, as a Dem candidate, Lonusca Dec 2016 #74

I have no crystal ball. lapucelle Dec 2016 #87

No. Open primary as in GOP crossing over to vote for a Democrat to R B Garr Dec 2016 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author jack_krass Jan 2017 #96

LOL. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #9

Couldn't even win the primaries liquid diamond Dec 2016 #12

No comment. n/t Megahurtz Dec 2016 #56

If he could have won the primary at least ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #15

My guess would be, if Sanders had won the Democratic Primary ... SFnomad Dec 2016 #18

Bullshit. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #19

The reason Sanders would have beaten Trump mtnsnake Dec 2016 #20

You mean made up right wing garbage? Cause if you believe she carried so much baggage for real, I boston bean Dec 2016 #21

You can continue to bury your head in the sand all you want mtnsnake Dec 2016 #22

You can continue to believe rw bs and spew it ad naseum. It doesn't change the fact boston bean Dec 2016 #30

Now you're just spewing nonsense mtnsnake Dec 2016 #36

Well. You seem to believe she carried it. It being rw made up bs. So not sure how you want me boston bean Dec 2016 #37

Yes I do believe she has too much baggage as a result of the right wing lies about her mtnsnake Dec 2016 #38

You are conceding that false baggage treestar Dec 2016 #42

But Trump's baggage wasn't enough to stop him?? Blue_Tires Dec 2016 #25

No, unfortunately, because he was a non-politician mtnsnake Dec 2016 #28

So you're saying any career politician would have lost to Trump then? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #90

But Brewer and Ship-- yeah, you're pretty much right about that... dionysus Dec 2016 #31

!@X#@! mtnsnake Dec 2016 #32

Indeed, this cycle NEEDED Sanders Axolotls Dec 2016 #70

Nope, Sanders would have lost big to Trump, probably 40 states. See my #91 below. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #93

Aren't you people finished with this long-dead talking point? Blue_Tires Dec 2016 #23

The fact that HRC beat Bernie's ass by 3.7 million Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #27

There was not enough enthusiasm for him among black voters and other minorities bravenak Dec 2016 #29

Sick of people continuing the attempt to fluff Sanders and sow division. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #39

Without the email there would have been something else treestar Dec 2016 #40

I think Bernie does better in PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #41

Who the fuck cares? He lost. He will never be a Dem candidate for Pres again. His BitterBernie seaglass Dec 2016 #43

+1 Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #44

Sanders is trying to sell books, Hence the media blitz. lapucelle Dec 2016 #53

Let me see if I got it right. HassleCat Dec 2016 #58

Yup Arazi Dec 2016 #46

Bernie, Hillary, both in the past now; we need someone who can be the better of both... HopeAgain Dec 2016 #47

this again? zappaman Dec 2016 #50

More fake news. Do you work in Sanders' office? You sure seem to have loads of time trying... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #51

I Wondered That MYself Me. Dec 2016 #55

It's a reasonable question given the poster's prolific & ceaseless Sanders promotion here at DU. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #57

And If It's Not Sanders Me. Dec 2016 #59

Or Jane? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #63

Haven't Seen Jane Me. Dec 2016 #67

What EXACTLY is fake about it. Please explain. mtnsnake Dec 2016 #62

See my #91 below. This isn't hard to figure out. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #92

Since when is the LA Times fake? Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #75

Speculation. MFM008 Dec 2016 #60

And yet this doesn't (posted part) acknowledge his enthusiasm gap with AA voters. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #61

Sanders is still adored by many. azmom Dec 2016 #65

He is one of the only ones out there vocally and legislatively right now, unfortunately, vigorously JudyM Dec 2016 #68

We never get to know... Orsino Dec 2016 #69

Sanders' message is the future. Corporate centrism the past realmirage Dec 2016 #72

Succinctly stated... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #82

"Also, no misogyny ".. JHan Dec 2016 #77

I do not think sanders would have beaten trump, BUT DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #78

And had Hillary made that wise move, we'd be calling her Madam President. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #83

Maybe, But Probably Not AnnieBW Dec 2016 #80

Delusion and guilt collide. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #88

Interesting Read. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #89

Not this nonsense again. Trump beats Sanders easily and here is why stevenleser Jan 2017 #91

I'd like to think so Wabbajack_ Jan 2017 #94

If by some miracle he had won, we still wouldn't have a Democrat in the White House CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #95