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We are now. Unless every single brown person in America goes out and buys some guns next week. TygrBright Nov 2016 #1
I agree bravenak Nov 2016 #3
National African American Gun Association Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #33
there are more blacks gejohnston Nov 2016 #38
Im glad to hear this jack_krass Dec 2016 #73
JHFC does EVERYthing have to be about race?, but since you brought it up, yes jack_krass Dec 2016 #74
Dont read my posts then bravenak Dec 2016 #75
funny you mention that gejohnston Nov 2016 #37
Simple and sad truth Cosmocat Dec 2016 #94
I think so bravenak Nov 2016 #2
In Wisconsin it was a big deal forthemiddle Nov 2016 #4
Yes Amishman Nov 2016 #5
Here we go again. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #6
Quite a lot of Democrats are gun owners. Kentonio Nov 2016 #8
depends on whether one thinks we need more true believers or more evangelists. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #10
Of course - "economic policy." yallerdawg Nov 2016 #19
Interesting that you bring up evangelism, given that "gun control" appears to be a religion for many pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #113
Gun control has never been a core Democratic value. benEzra Nov 2016 #32
These days it's a core Democratic value. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #34
No, it's still not. About 50% of Dems support, and 50% oppose. benEzra Nov 2016 #39
What's with the NRA/rightwing talking points? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #44
Here's a fact from the FBI: 13,500 murders annually, all rifles *combined* account for 270. benEzra Nov 2016 #46
Guns was the issue? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #53
It was *an* issue in my state. A big one. benEzra Nov 2016 #54
If you are a Democrat... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #57
Legal gun owners have been threatened here at DU, linked to at this OP: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #68
Promising to take laws like the NY SAFE Act nationwide *is* a threat. benEzra Dec 2016 #69
What's with your contempt for the facts? NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #115
Question is what's common sense Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #56
The evening shift! yallerdawg Nov 2016 #58
Yep, some of us work Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #60
I'm not playing "Twenty Questions" with you. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #62
Maybe this one is busy shopping discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #121
"Common sense gun reform" "Whatever Dianne Feinstein wants" derby378 Dec 2016 #104
That's not what makes me a democrat. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #77
Spot on. And THANK YOU. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #112
That's in today's world. I come from a long line of Democrats who worked in the ... spin Dec 2016 #82
Our Sheriff recomends every homeowner be armed Kilgore Dec 2016 #102
A few years ago a judge recommended rural people in an Ohio country... spin Dec 2016 #106
In our case its not budget cuts. Kilgore Dec 2016 #107
Unfortunately even in an area with an extremely low crime rate ... spin Dec 2016 #109
It's tempting to say just put it on the back burner, but.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #7
I don't think nuance plays very well on this issue. nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #11
I think you're right if the message you put out relies on nuance. Kentonio Nov 2016 #14
To use nuance, you have to *understand* the issue, which many in the DC/NY bubble apparently do not. benEzra Nov 2016 #63
Here's the problem with that hollowdweller Dec 2016 #79
why focus on specifically urban gun owners? gejohnston Nov 2016 #40
Best place to start would be to **STOP LYING** about "assault weapons". pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #117
Do the Right Thing frazzled Nov 2016 #9
What is wrong with the current federal gun control laws? gejohnston Nov 2016 #66
Possibly. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #12
how can we help them without winning elections? geek tragedy Nov 2016 #18
"But as long as it's a wedge issue we're really never going to make headway on that." NCTraveler Nov 2016 #20
In 2008 and 2012 guns weren't a big issue. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #23
Here is where those proposals go off the rails. benEzra Nov 2016 #43
There's no point in pushing it to the state level if SCOTUS will Exilednight Nov 2016 #13
Yes. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #15
We might have got President Dumbya over that issue too. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #16
I guarantee in PA it was an issue. ebbie15644 Nov 2016 #17
Same in Ohio. Lots of gunnutters here, also. madinmaryland Nov 2016 #24
Yep. I saw a survey here a few years ago that indicated... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #25
It was a huge issue here in NC as well. (n/t) benEzra Nov 2016 #31
Absolutely Calculating Nov 2016 #21
it wasn't just Hillary's stances on guns ebbie15644 Nov 2016 #26
they were not being sued for the misuse of their products dsc Nov 2016 #29
The PLCAA doesn't block suits for criminal straw purchases, smuggling, or defective guns. benEzra Nov 2016 #30
And they were not protected from straw purchasing Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #59
Nobody was buying "thousands of Guns at a time" and reselling them Lee-Lee Dec 2016 #72
"(G)un shops were selling thousands of guns at a time to individuals" Cite, please friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #87
No cite or links after a week? It's obvious that claim is bullshit... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #95
yes this and the anti-abortion crowd. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2016 #22
I think it did play a part in this defeat, and I tried to talk earlier to DU about that. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #27
Yes. The truth is, Americans simply dont want government telling them what to do. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #28
Americans don't like being told what to do, but they do like the government telling others what to geek tragedy Nov 2016 #36
That's sort of my point, exactly. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #45
our party's issue isn't so much from people trying to regulate geek tragedy Nov 2016 #48
Certainly, and I wouldn't argue that we need to do away with things like building safety or the EPA. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #50
not only that, gejohnston Nov 2016 #41
+1 flying rabbit Dec 2016 #96
Well there were those who sarisataka Nov 2016 #35
Disagree, I say we double-down on sensible gun control, radius777 Nov 2016 #42
Define "sensible gun control." benEzra Nov 2016 #51
Obama didn't campaign on gun control though Calculating Nov 2016 #52
Gun control is an urban/suburban (metro) issue, radius777 Nov 2016 #64
So what happens if you get your wish? benEzra Dec 2016 #71
Democrats cease to become players in national politics, that's what happens friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #88
Echoes of the Temperance party. (n/t) benEzra Dec 2016 #89
Agreed samir.g Dec 2016 #86
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2016 #47
losing elections doesn't save a single child nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #49
Losing the election and getting no gun control at all Calculating Nov 2016 #55
windmills? that sounds so ... 2015 0rganism Nov 2016 #65
Well, more than 2.5 million more people voted for Hill than the Don, but apparently.... Hekate Nov 2016 #67
So you don't, in fact, want to ban AR-15's and over-10-round magazines? benEzra Dec 2016 #70
"You"? You are holding me responsible for the mass insanity of this nation? Do you personally want Hekate Dec 2016 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #80
This is *exactly* the type of misunderstanding that is so harmful to Dems on this issue. benEzra Dec 2016 #83
So I own military-grade weaponry. So fucking what. derby378 Dec 2016 #105
Well for the first time ever Flavius Aetius Dec 2016 #81
I don't get it then - what does an "assault weapons ban" do if it is not taking away someone's guns? jmg257 Dec 2016 #85
Irritate us about losing the election and add scant substance Kolesar Dec 2016 #76
Yep, there is. There is also a temporary forum for discussing things that hurt Dems last month... benEzra Dec 2016 #84
Yes hueymahl Dec 2016 #90
Kick. **Fantastic** OP geek tragedy! pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #91
Democrats for the last few decades have been strong on gun control and week on a social safety net killbotfactory Dec 2016 #92
This is **precisely** what liberal criminologists James Wright, Peter Rossi pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #93
The only constant is change, so I disagree that we should view this as an unsolvable issue or... CBHagman Dec 2016 #97
Change... benEzra Dec 2016 #98
Gun ownership itself is actually down quite dramatically. CBHagman Dec 2016 #99
Actually, all surveys but the non-anonymous GSS have shown steady ownership or recent increase. benEzra Dec 2016 #100
It's a civil liberties issue. MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #101
Background checks, yes. Semi-auto ban, no. Magazine ban, no. derby378 Dec 2016 #103
Yes. We can elections and save lives with "No Federal gun bans whatsoever" aikoaiko Dec 2016 #108
Kick. Great OP. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #110
Are we tilting at windmills? No. We're cutting our throats. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #111
LOTS of supposition here... LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #114
Hillary's position on gun control was politically naive outside of CA, NY and IL HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #116
Yes we are. Bans don't work. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #118
Kicking for the benefit of members who believe that gun restriction is a political winner. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #119
Gun restrictionists have become the secular "Bible thumpers" of the Democratic Party: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #120
I think probably yes, from a purely pragmatic standpoint. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #122
Hurts the party's efforts to win elections, it's a wedge issue that the pukes distort & capitalize FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2016 #123
Gun control for Democrats.. virginia mountainman Dec 2016 #124
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