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2016 Postmortem

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Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:14 AM Dec 2016

For all looking to cast out the ignorant with the venal [View all]

A huge swath of voters know ONLY what they are told by their usual media source and by what they are told by us (their politically active friends and those actively involved in political campaigns).

When Trump says Spanish-speaking undocumented aliens bring disease and crime, the only way they know otherwise is IF SOMEONE TELLS THEM. We know what the MSM is worth, so did WE as Democrats get out there and talk about AVERAGE Spanish-speaking undocumented aliens (you know, the millions that are living hand to mouth in sub-human conditions and getting paid sub-human wages so their kids will not starve) that voters see in the media every f'n day, OR did we talk about the exceptions, the ones that fit the white suburbanite definition of successful, the class presidents, the ones shared the suburbanite dream of going to college? Is it the voters' fault for failing to see the value in the lives of the immigrants who struggle and do not meet OUR DEFINITION of success?

When Trump says that Muslims don't share our beliefs and pose a danger to our way of life, the only way they know otherwise is IF SOMEONE TELLS THEM. Did we as Democrats get out there and talk about Islam as one of the worlds great religions, or show the devotion of Muslims going to pray multiple times a day, or about how Islam has been victimized by the West since the end of the first world war, or how every day Muslims are struggling against hate and prejudice every single day OR did we talk about the exception, the Gold Star family, the ones living out the suburbanite values of patriotism? Is it the voters' fault they can't see the same value in the poor, and yes, sometime angry, young Muslim in Minneapolis as he follows a religion which we consistently attack for its failure to live up to Western values and come to the conclusion that Trump might have a point?

How about those black kids who weren't class president, or innocent bystanders? When Trump talked to voters about the murder rate in Chicago, or "supporting the police," and how we need MORE law enforcement and HARSHER penalties, did we get out and talk about WHY so many of those people who look like me find ourselves at the wrong end of a gun? Did we talk about the Michael Browns who are constantly getting shook down by cops just looking for an excuse to haul them off to jail or shoot them dead in the street? How about the ones who live without hope, the ones whose lives were ruined with felony convictions by the time they were teenagers? Did we as Democrats get out and talk about them OR did we limit our discussion to how our heroes, the ones that even suburbanites will applaud and identify with, still suffer discrimination? Is it the voters' fault they latch onto "tough on crime" and "broken society" rhetoric when every day the MSM is talking about the Chicago murder rate?

Even when the conversation turned to misogyny (which seemed to be the focus of most of the post-election campaign), did we talk about what every woman faces every day, or did we talk about Trump's disgusting behavior all the time unable to explain why we don't find every person with a history of sexual aggression unqualified to be president? Is it the voters' fault they can't distinguish Trump from the multitude of men who have run for president and won despite histories of sexual aggression, discrimination, and disrespect?

There are a ton of Trump voters who are just flat out morally decrepit. I join in saying that I want nothing to do with them. However, to shun voters for voting out of ignorance when we failed to educate them, is simply hiding our own failures. It's like the parent who shuns the child they raised.

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars . . .

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Well dude, I just tell my local Trumpettes that we're ALL about to get taken to school. nt Pholus Dec 2016 #1
Kay, here's the thing. You believe that some Trump voters are redeemable. I believe Squinch Dec 2016 #2
He openly appealed to racists and bigots so if they followed him then they can fuck off. libtodeath Dec 2016 #4
I totally agree. So now what do we do? How do we get those people who stayed home to Squinch Dec 2016 #6
They need to see how we as a party can use government to their benefit. libtodeath Dec 2016 #7
And how do we tell them? Squinch Dec 2016 #8
Lay out the policies I just mentioned and campaign on that. libtodeath Dec 2016 #9
Just for the record, Clinton campaigned on the following: Garrett78 Dec 2016 #13
Just for the record Uponthegears Dec 2016 #17
Her speeches most definitely did not mcar Dec 2016 #19
Subscribing to and spreading that false narrative doesn't make it true. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #22
I'm going to try to follow Squinch's lead Uponthegears Dec 2016 #23
It matters in the sense that people are misunderstanding what took place... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #25
Excellent post. JHan Dec 2016 #27
With you 100% Uponthegears Dec 2016 #29
That didn't work. We need to do something different. Squinch Dec 2016 #15
We need to be proud of it and when the repukes start yelling socialism we yell right back at them libtodeath Dec 2016 #16
They may never be redeemed, but they can change their minds... Orsino Dec 2016 #14
Another thought: Trump gets out a lot of his message via Twitter. Squinch Dec 2016 #3
People believe what they want to believe frazzled Dec 2016 #5
and yet people's beliefs change...what they want to believe changes...especially if its JCanete Dec 2016 #10
I'm sold... nice job! Yurovsky Dec 2016 #11
Indeed. I often mention the following article: Garrett78 Dec 2016 #12
+10000000 JHan Dec 2016 #28
Nope. Sorry. Nice try. No dice. They don't want to be aducated, therefore we did not fail them LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #18
Because there is Uponthegears Dec 2016 #20
Because they are willfully low information. They don't want REASON LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #21
And knowing, as we do Uponthegears Dec 2016 #24
The problem is many are *willfully* ignorant. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #26
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