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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. People believe what they want to believe
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:56 AM
Dec 2016

despite being presented with the facts. That's been shown time and again.

It's rather paternalistic to think that "we" can educate them. "If only they knew," we tell ourselves; "If only the Democratic Party had a better message." All the information regarding the excessive use of force with respect to black citizens has been out there and discussed profusely all year. Yes, even in the mainstream media, time and again, with video to prove it, and sophisticated speakers explaining the issues.

Another thing that has been demonstrated repeatedly by studies is that a vast number of voters do not make their choices on a rational basis. And that means they are not susceptible to arguments—even the best arguments out there. Sometimes it's just a question of whose hairdo they like, or that their wife just left them, or that their kid is doing poorly in school and they want to lash out at something. They are not making nuanced or informed decisions based on a coherent political philosophy. They may even believe in one set of ideals or proposals and vote for someone who professes the complete opposite. Note the documented desire for "change" that was expressed by voters this year. They didn't care whether it was good change or bad; they just thought something different might be the answer after eight years of their kids bringing home papers with "D" marked on them. Really. (I've canvassed door to door many times over the years, and I can tell you that this is frequently the twisted logic that more than a few people at whose doorsteps I've stopped have expressed.)

No, we are not going to convince anyone of anything. And once we realize that, we can stop trying to change other people and start the hard work of changing things in the real world we can control, where we live. We won't win every battle (or even most), but we can keep fighting it, with our compadres who share our views.

In saying this, I fully recognized that you probably won't be influenced by my arguments.

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Well dude, I just tell my local Trumpettes that we're ALL about to get taken to school. nt Pholus Dec 2016 #1
Kay, here's the thing. You believe that some Trump voters are redeemable. I believe Squinch Dec 2016 #2
He openly appealed to racists and bigots so if they followed him then they can fuck off. libtodeath Dec 2016 #4
I totally agree. So now what do we do? How do we get those people who stayed home to Squinch Dec 2016 #6
They need to see how we as a party can use government to their benefit. libtodeath Dec 2016 #7
And how do we tell them? Squinch Dec 2016 #8
Lay out the policies I just mentioned and campaign on that. libtodeath Dec 2016 #9
Just for the record, Clinton campaigned on the following: Garrett78 Dec 2016 #13
Just for the record Uponthegears Dec 2016 #17
Her speeches most definitely did not mcar Dec 2016 #19
Subscribing to and spreading that false narrative doesn't make it true. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #22
I'm going to try to follow Squinch's lead Uponthegears Dec 2016 #23
It matters in the sense that people are misunderstanding what took place... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #25
Excellent post. JHan Dec 2016 #27
With you 100% Uponthegears Dec 2016 #29
That didn't work. We need to do something different. Squinch Dec 2016 #15
We need to be proud of it and when the repukes start yelling socialism we yell right back at them libtodeath Dec 2016 #16
They may never be redeemed, but they can change their minds... Orsino Dec 2016 #14
Another thought: Trump gets out a lot of his message via Twitter. Squinch Dec 2016 #3
People believe what they want to believe frazzled Dec 2016 #5
and yet people's beliefs change...what they want to believe changes...especially if its JCanete Dec 2016 #10
I'm sold... nice job! Yurovsky Dec 2016 #11
Indeed. I often mention the following article: Garrett78 Dec 2016 #12
+10000000 JHan Dec 2016 #28
Nope. Sorry. Nice try. No dice. They don't want to be aducated, therefore we did not fail them LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #18
Because there is Uponthegears Dec 2016 #20
Because they are willfully low information. They don't want REASON LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #21
And knowing, as we do Uponthegears Dec 2016 #24
The problem is many are *willfully* ignorant. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #26
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