2016 Postmortem

planetc

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18. The bottom line is that we have no idea who was elected to the presidency, or to congress.

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 11:21 AM

Dec 2016

And the media won't be telling us about the impossibility of getting an accurate recount, should one be needed. The time to fix our election systems was in 2002, right after the current machines were installed. Without having a Democratic president, and majorities in both houses, we will not be seeing national voting standards enacted, or a Right to Vote law, to protect the favorite targets of voter suppression: African Americans, Hispanics, and Asian Americans. Without bringing our election standards up to adequate, we will not be able to pass legislation to do much of anything we want, because Republicans now have no platform at all except to do the opposite of what Democrats want, retroactively.

We could, of course, try to take back some statehouses from Republicans, but those elections will run through the existing election system. I don't think this is a problem that technology will fix.

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What's the bottom line on possible election fraud, the recounts, and voter suppression stories? [View all] Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 OP

Bottom line: US elections are a joke and the system is rigged so they stay that way. ucrdem Dec 2016 #1

I suppose... do you know if there's been any write up for all the post-election investigations? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #2

precisely.. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #5

That they're true to any degree means this election should be redone yesterday, anything else uponit7771 Dec 2016 #3

There wasn't any of that based on the evidence mythology Dec 2016 #4

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence; and besides, there was plenty of evidence that TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #6

thanks-- I've always been a bit leery about Palast. But still, isn't there evidence of voter Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #9

The Interstate Cross Check system is very real and created by Kris Kobach. Florida quit ICC due to think Dec 2016 #19

Palast has the same story every election. If he had the scoop, i can't see the entire media laying dionysus Dec 2016 #21

WaPo: U.S. elections rank worst among Western democracies ucrdem Dec 2016 #7

that's freaking shameful... and certainly won't be getting better in the next few years Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #10

The weird thing is that UK is the next worst after us. ucrdem Dec 2016 #20

Because of what Stein uncovered, parts of Michigan (Detroit) will be audited HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #8

Thanks! Good to see this still in the news Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #11

I wouldn't celebrate. Kotya Dec 2016 #14

If you want to fix problems with voting machines, the time to do it is not during an election HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #15

The bottom line is that for 4 years we are totally screwed. Vinca Dec 2016 #12

that is true, of course Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #13

+100000000000000000000000000000 ailsagirl Dec 2016 #23

what makes you think we will have free/fair elections in 4 yrs?? quite the opposite, it is only goin TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #24

What makes you think we will have free/fair elections in 4 yrs?? LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #26

The Bottom line is the Soviet Republicans stole it, the Russians hacked it so they could LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #16

"Soviet Republicans" -- perfect! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #17

The bottom line is that we have no idea who was elected to the presidency, or to congress. planetc Dec 2016 #18

yes; we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #25

Two words ailsagirl Dec 2016 #22

We were not killed by one shot to the head DFW Dec 2016 #27