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2016 Postmortem

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Yurovsky

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Sat Dec 31, 2016, 08:50 AM Dec 2016

If you support Hillary and still think the WWC can piss off... [View all]

you might want to read this from Politico...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/hillary-clinton-2016-loss-democrats-214570

This passage in particular:

It has long been a commonplace that Hillary Clinton’s retail political skills are not the equal of her husband’s, and her senior advisers would chafe this year when Bill Clinton pressed to campaign more aggressively in white working-class areas of the Great American Middle, arguing that such voters had been lost for good by the Democrats—or at least for this year, during which disappointment over Obama’s inability to deliver for them had congealed into support for Trump. The truth is that Hillary Clinton did recognize the problem, even if she was unable to translate her awareness into an effective campaign message that would appeal to working-class whites.

After all, it was in the same speech to the elite Manhattan fundraiser where Clinton dismissed half of Trump’s supporters as a “basket of deplorables,” that she also said this, about the rest of his backers: “But the other basket—and I know this because I see friends from all over America here—people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from,” Clinton said. “They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different—they won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.”


So yes, both she & Bill saw the importance of the WWC (especially in the Midwest), and John Podesta and Robby Mook really shit the bed in the closing weeks of the campaign. While we're assigning blame or making excuses postmortem, we need to ensure we don't let Podesta & Mook off the hook for their epic failure. And yes, we still need to reach out to all potential Democratic voters. We don't have to sell our souls or compromise our principles to do it, and we shouldn't. But giving the middle finger to people who are still open to our message is foolish and a recipe for political disaster (and yes, it can get worse).
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Really? blue cat Dec 2016 #1
Take a good look around... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #2
"Fuck 'em. All Trump voters deserve what they get." Beartracks Dec 2016 #27
Politico..... Laurian Dec 2016 #3
All workers matter True_Blue Dec 2016 #4
THIS all fucking day long LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #6
The very idea of the WWC is racist. baldguy Dec 2016 #8
And it suggests that working class POC must not care about economic issues. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #9
Right. Our focus should be on Employees. Basic LA Dec 2016 #12
+1... SidDithers Dec 2016 #14
You don't consider ot a voting bloc in the same way they break the dionysus Dec 2016 #16
So, how do you propose to address their "special needs" without resorting to alt-right fascism? baldguy Dec 2016 #18
but hispanics don't differentiate by claiming they are working class JI7 Dec 2016 #19
Well, "white poor and lower middle class" or the old "white blue collar" might be more dionysus Dec 2016 #20
it's not the term itself but more how it's talked about JI7 Dec 2016 #21
I see what you're saying. dionysus Dec 2016 #22
Exactly. Some seem to think "working class" is synonymous with white. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #25
They're trying desperately to get us to care True_Blue Dec 2016 #23
Exactly baldguy Dec 2016 #24
no, they stole the election the way they take them all. They used the American media. Focusing on JCanete Dec 2016 #28
faulty advisors isn't a valid excuse. GeorgeGist Dec 2016 #5
I don't know exactly how many WWC people voted for Clinton but it was a lot. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #7
It's the battle to keep Identity Politics front and center even after the disaster of 2016. jalan48 Dec 2016 #10
So, you really think a Politico article is going to be the one thing that finally sells its? kcr Dec 2016 #11
The desires of the WWC are, by definition, different... SidDithers Dec 2016 #13
I'm not white but I still get the distinction... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #15
he openly ran as a racist. they had other choices in the primary JI7 Dec 2016 #17
That doesn't excuse the WWC from embracing lies and fantasy instead of Clinton's realistic plan. LonePirate Dec 2016 #26
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