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karynnj

(59,990 posts)
11. ANY losing candidate goes through that same nonsense
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jan 2017

Consider that the nominee is someone who had the political skill and accomplishments to get the nomination. When that person loses, many find it easiest to scapegoat the nominee. In many years it might be that the other side had an advantage that could not be overcome. Other times, our infrastructure pure and simple was a mess. It might be that our message as conveyed did not win.

Yet, the candidate becomes the scapegoat - especially as the history of the election is rewritten to scrub many errors of the winner and to emphasize far beyond reasonableness the flaws of our candidate. The media wants a narrative that "makes sense" - you lose because you make mistakes.

I suspect the difference is that you cared more about Hillary Clinton than any previous candidate. I can tell you that both DU and Daily Kos were scathing in their attacks on John Kerry in 2004. Ignored was that he ran a high road campaign, with relatively few gaffes and nearly pulled off what should have been an unexpected upset. DU JK existed for many months as a safe space for the few of us - shocked that he seemed almost as hated as GWB. In the media, you had Bill Clinton essentially diminishing both Al Gore and Kerry - contrasting himself as someone who could win.

What is particularly annoying is that any real person will do something over the almost 2 years that you work impossible hours that is really a bad idea. When it likely hurts most is when there is an element of truth in the accusation and, for many, that becomes the whole story. Some might say that HRC's big mistakes were made before she declared - she skirted the MOU on how to keep the Clinton Foundation separate from the State Department, she ignored at least the spirit of the Obama policy designed to increase transparency by not archiving her email with the State Department when she left, and - knowing she intended to run for President and she did not NEED the money- giving those high paid speeches to audiences like Goldman/Saks. None of these were illegal, but she paid a political price for each of them. You could observe that it was Trump with REAL court cases - including the Trump University one he settled right after the election. However, part of the explanation of her loss will likely be these three things.

One observation - HRC enjoys far greater support here than Kerry did in January 2005. I looked and I do not see that Clinton supporters need - as we did - a safe space.





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I honestly think being a woman metroins Jan 2017 #1
A lot of that overall hatred and quite a bit of Trumpism is rooted in misogyny. synergie Jan 2017 #2
+1000 sheshe2 Jan 2017 #4
So true! boston bean Jan 2017 #12
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #14
I don't believe that. People who voted for Trump would have voted for Palin. Exilednight Jan 2017 #28
Of course you don't. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #35
if you think misogyny had nothing to do with it, you are really in la-la land. 30 years of niyad Jan 2017 #5
Also don't forget that it is difficult for one pantry to hold the oval office for more ... spin Jan 2017 #7
How do you define "Trumpism" brer cat Jan 2017 #8
Of course you do. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #34
Thank you for this, synergie.. will Cha Jan 2017 #3
Great read. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #6
Still makes me furious mcar Jan 2017 #9
Fantastic OP, synergie! brer cat Jan 2017 #10
ANY losing candidate goes through that same nonsense karynnj Jan 2017 #11
I think you're missing the point here, which was that this was happening throughout synergie Jan 2017 #16
I guess you missed the intra party attacks in 2000, 2004 and 200 karynnj Jan 2017 #21
Once again, I wonder if you read the post. synergie Jan 2017 #24
What you ignore is that even when she was SoS, there were congressional and Foia requests for her karynnj Jan 2017 #25
The question has never been answered honestly... Yurovsky Jan 2017 #26
So you STILL have not read the post, as you attack her to illustrate how it's not about synergie Jan 2017 #27
Look, I know you LOVE the piece, which incidentally you posted more than you are allowed to karynnj Jan 2017 #29
Wow, you "know" a lot of things that you can't support, don't you? synergie Jan 2017 #31
Talk about unsupported statements! That describes this karynnj Jan 2017 #32
I think we need to elect a woman as VP before we'll elect one president crazycatlady Jan 2017 #13
She was held to a much higher standard than any other candidate in Presidential history. Tatiana Jan 2017 #15
Exactly right. 100% oasis Jan 2017 #17
As the father of two daughters, I am so disappointed with this election Gothmog Jan 2017 #18
K&R! betsuni Jan 2017 #19
So, Clinton was "flawed." WTF does that make Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #20
The media could not have fluffed up the email scandal treestar Jan 2017 #22
That's a crock of excrement meow2u3 Jan 2017 #23
People just sat back and watched bogus investigation after investigation Rex Jan 2017 #30
Well said.... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #33
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