2016 Postmortem

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts) Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:52 PM Jan 2017

It won't make the problems go away [View all]

We can shut down the forum, but it won't change the fact that the democratic party is in one of the worst places its ever been. It wasn't just Hillary that lost. We lost up and down the ticket. It might be a good idea to figure out how we got here. It could be important to understanding where to go and what to do. I strongly suspect just focusing on Trump isn't going to fix things. And the Russians didn't hack every race and every democratic candidate. And Comey didn't undermine all candidates.

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It won't make the problems go away [View all] zipplewrath Jan 2017 OP

Then what were they doing in the states election board's computers?? shraby Jan 2017 #1

It's not a choice BETWEEN dealing with voter suppression OR recognizing that the party is in crisis. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #6

If a party loses due to voter suppression and/or russian infilitration and/or FBI meddling boston bean Jan 2017 #9

That didn't happen in Wisconsin forthemiddle Jan 2017 #11

That is EXACTLY what Pat McCrory did in NC, too. DMVs never processed voter registrations blm Jan 2017 #46

RT bullshit was being spread here pretty thickly- and some people still buy that crap... bettyellen Jan 2017 #2

+1 nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #3

Yep. Pretty much. HassleCat Jan 2017 #4

We picked up seats in the House and Senate AJH032 Jan 2017 #5

CA is doing great. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #7

+1 nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #8

for the last 10 years? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #21

Do you know the history of redistricting? Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #26

And so how did we get there? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #29

Read, the, date. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #34

wish I could zipplewrath Jan 2017 #35

But someone did undermine our candidates. How about adopting this unoffical rule: FSogol Jan 2017 #10

Excellent Post. Excellent. Justice Jan 2017 #12

Yeah, because candidates will always run against the person who isn't in the race. zipplewrath Jan 2017 #17

We can't. There a lot of us here who can't admit our campaign was less than perfect. dionysus Jan 2017 #13

And you win the thread and the 2016 Postmortem Forum Lurks Often Jan 2017 #14

I don't know if bernie could have won the GE, but i figure he would have stood just a good dionysus Jan 2017 #18

Will Bernie run for President again - NO! - So what's your point? CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #50

You mistake me for someone who care what a conservadem thinks, gush gallop aside. dionysus Jan 2017 #52

The label "far left" has little to do with their objectives - it's their mind set CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #55

When you start creating strawman and shove words in other people's mouths, you lose credibility. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #58

Excellent. I agree, those are my thoughts exactly. justhanginon Jan 2017 #54

+1 nt riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #59

Agreed - a decent post-election write-up here: jonno99 Jan 2017 #15

This is the fundamental problem. zipplewrath Jan 2017 #16

Comey did undermine all candidates. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #19

Last 10 years zipplewrath Jan 2017 #20

Gerrymandering and voter suppression?! We just going to ignore those factors now? tia uponit7771 Jan 2017 #24

no, but zipplewrath Jan 2017 #25

When did I say he was responsible for it all? NCTraveler Jan 2017 #36

We didn't focus down the ticket since 2008 crazycatlady Jan 2017 #40

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #23

BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! Comey, Voter suppression and Russia all the rest of the postmortems are guessin uponit7771 Jan 2017 #22

Try again zipplewrath Jan 2017 #27

Gerrymandering and voter suppression?! We just going to ignore those factors now? tia uponit7771 Jan 2017 #30

no, we're going to disucss them zipplewrath Jan 2017 #32

Their replies make it clear they don't understand gerrymandering and voter suppression... NCTraveler Jan 2017 #37

+1, we've got to do the 50 state thing all county thing ... without voter suppression and uponit7771 Jan 2017 #39

As a Floridian, I get the enormous importance of local elections and gerrymandering. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #41

OK, zip - how long have firms like Crosscheck been around and used by GOP vote suppression machine? blm Jan 2017 #49

Crosscheck blocked the votes of hundreds of thousands in swing states. That is the BIGGEST reason. blm Jan 2017 #28

For the last 10 years+? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #31

You weren't around when Florida purged voter rolls before 2000 election? Crosscheck was another, and blm Jan 2017 #43

Again zipplewrath Jan 2017 #33

Or we could expose and SUE Crosscheck and those states implementing Crosscheck. blm Jan 2017 #44

Stop attacking Dems. joshcryer Jan 2017 #38

Yes! Republicans are the problem, not Democrats. betsuni Jan 2017 #42

I'd argue '06 and '02 were worse, and that's just from recent memory Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #45

The subject of how to improve the party isn't banned for discussion. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #47

Did anyone forward the premise that removing and replacing one forum LanternWaste Jan 2017 #48

No zipplewrath Jan 2017 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #51

A Coup Is Underway otohara Jan 2017 #53

Repeatedly picking at the scab BainsBane Jan 2017 #56