2016 Postmortem

Garrett78

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169. Polls suggest a majority support for his economic stances, but bigotry gets in the way.

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 06:55 PM

Jan 2017

Particularly racism. Bigotry transcends class interests. Until we strategically diminish racism, no progressive economic message will win over enough people to establish a permanent majority. But not because progressive economic viewpoints, when considered on their own, are unpopular.

Because of that and because of things in his background, I agree with you that Sanders would have gotten his ass kicked had he been the nominee.

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And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to Bernie Sanders - Time.com [View all] factfinder_77 Jan 2017 OP

Bernie DISTRACTED Hillary! HassleCat Jan 2017 #1

Damn that Bernie Jake Stern Jan 2017 #8

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #46

Primary accusations always can be used in the general election -- karynnj Jan 2017 #62

Sanders also claimed that the election process was rigged and Trump quoted him Gothmog Jan 2017 #101

Both Clinton and Sanders worked for the nominee after the primaries ended. karynnj Jan 2017 #103

I was a delegate to the national convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #106

I know how the Vermont delegates were chosen karynnj Jan 2017 #108

Under DNC rules the candidate has the right to approve or reject delegates Gothmog Jan 2017 #111

More like Hey you Corporatist! WhiteTara Jan 2017 #63

no, he offered unrealistic promises based on simplistic solutions which appeals to large numbers of Bill USA Jan 2017 #170

Really on a roll ain't ya.. pangaia Jan 2017 #2

Yeah no one wants to face this but.... bettyellen Jan 2017 #3

The result would have been exactly the same Ken Burch Jan 2017 #6

Three strikes was supposed to be for violent felons and the GOP took it further ... bettyellen Jan 2017 #9

+1 betsuni Jan 2017 #10

That was how they sold it... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #11

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Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #57

Has Sanders changed his FEC filing to run as a Democrat for Senate in 2018? Gothmog Jan 2017 #59

It's what it was- and GOPers changed the laws... bettyellen Jan 2017 #20

Oh gosh no. Bernie gave ammunition to the same folks who STILL are saying Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #152

no one want to face fact THAT BERNIE HARDLY CAMPAIGNED FOR HILLARY. trueblue2007 Jan 2017 #25

Sanders was in the democratic race for media coverage and money Gothmog Jan 2017 #48

Hogwash. Your hobby of making Sanders out to be a greedy money-grubbing opportunist is pathetic ThirdEye Jan 2017 #85

Right. According to him, bernie has to have suitcases of dirty cash stashed somewhere... dionysus Jan 2017 #89

It's also anti-Semitic af Arazi Jan 2017 #91

Have you bought his latest book yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #98

The OP is mostly BS. Sanders attacks had an effect but Hillary still won the pop. vote by 3 million brush Jan 2017 #56

Not only is it BS. It's the same dog whistle narrative we've been hearing for 2 months. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #72

+1000. I bet she took her foot off the gas in a few states she thought he R B Garr Jan 2017 #116

Utterly ridiculous. Clearly you have not seen his schedule. He busted his ass on the trail for her, JudyM Jan 2017 #137

The primaries hurt her a lot, but Bernie eventually jump in Alice11111 Jan 2017 #126

He campaigned for her quite a bit. thesquanderer Jan 2017 #180

yep. boston bean Jan 2017 #39

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #54

I agree with this bravenak Jan 2017 #4

I also agree with the analysis in the OP Gothmog Jan 2017 #47

It's certainly truth bravenak Jan 2017 #80

The OP is promoting the same narrative Bernie supporters have been pushing since the election. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #94

heck I'll beg along with you in that case. JHan Jan 2017 #95

I know thats right bravenak Jan 2017 #114

I would support Hillary Clinton if she ran for POTUS again Gothmog Jan 2017 #147

Put me in the long line that says bull$hit. CentralMass Jan 2017 #5

Shout loudest + throw tantrums + don't see any bumper stickers they think they are the majority. T factfinder_77 Jan 2017 #14

It is anyone's turn. CentralMass Jan 2017 #37

Exactly! Duppers Jan 2017 #18

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The guy who wrote this, Gil Troy, wrote one book called "Hillary Clinton, Polarizing First Lady" Ken Burch Jan 2017 #12

Thanks. Figures. Duppers Jan 2017 #17

shhhhh! Locrian Jan 2017 #31

That doesn't really address his argument treestar Jan 2017 #69

It's pertinent that the man has an anti-progressive bias of VERY long standing Ken Burch Jan 2017 #83

Yet he's promoting the same narrative that DU posters have been promoting for 2 months. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #84

It's NOT that the party should stop talking about race or talk about it less Ken Burch Jan 2017 #141

Contrary to your assertions, Sanders policies are not that popular in the real world Gothmog Jan 2017 #150

Thank you! MelissaB Jan 2017 #110

Thanks. Good point. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #136

Centrist think they should be in charge, oops. Rex Jan 2017 #140

This narrative is bull shit no matter which side it comes from. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #15

Whatever else, you can never underestimate the influence Comey had on this election world wide wally Jan 2017 #16

That article is full-on love fest for Bill's campaigning and policies when in office. I'm sorry but JCanete Jan 2017 #19

You talk like Bill Clinton was worse than bush and trump. boston bean Jan 2017 #41

Yep Gothmog Jan 2017 #50

no I don't. That's a hell of a leap, made without a lick of evidence. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #97

No, that wasn't what that person said. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #128

we so far right right now with our new leader (DUMP) Bill Clinton looks like a radical leftist. boston bean Jan 2017 #130

That isn't even the point. Yes, Trump is to the right of Bill Clinton. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #133

No that is not the case. And I DISAGREE! boston bean Jan 2017 #134

If you actually elaborate here, some of us will actually read it. It won't be in vain, I promise. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #173

You are wrong yet again Gothmog Jan 2017 #148

The OP is promoting the same narrative Bernie supporters have been pushing since the election. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #71

We agree the narrative is bullshit. JCanete Jan 2017 #102

It isn't that Bernie's positions on various issues are unpopular or wrong. Here's the problem: Garrett78 Jan 2017 #107

we've had this discussion before, or at least we've been conversing about it in the same threads, JCanete Jan 2017 #109

Read Paul Kennedy's Rise and Fall of the Great Powers LanternWaste Jan 2017 #117

seriously? this is a message board and people are discussing things. I'm talking about in THIS JCanete Jan 2017 #120

I don't have much time, so I'll have to keep this short. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #155

Thanks for the conversation. This won't be up much longer, so I know you may not have the time to JCanete Jan 2017 #165

I have a free moment to respond. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #166

thanks again for the discourse! Just to answer G really quick, because I think this is important. JCanete Jan 2017 #167

And, see, I think racism *is* the root. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #168

I'll just say quickly, that if that is the root, then you would have to be suggesting that we JCanete Jan 2017 #171

I think it's the root of why people vote against their class interests. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #175

but as to human nature where does racism get placed? What fundamental itch is it scratching? JCanete Jan 2017 #177

Here's the problems with that response Ken Burch Jan 2017 #135

I didn't say Sanders advocated not fighting racism. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #153

O.K., I read that. I agree with all of it and I think the candidate I backed in the primaries Ken Burch Jan 2017 #158

Then I Suppose The 2016 Al Gore Award Goes To... chwaliszewski Jan 2017 #21

And the 2016 Iran Hostage Crisis Award goes to Comey... JHB Jan 2017 #26

All sorts of things to point fingers at... chwaliszewski Jan 2017 #30

There were many, many contributing factors, and with the margin so thin... JHB Jan 2017 #38

Comey is pond scum and lacks any professional or other ethics Gothmog Jan 2017 #149

Thanks factfinder Cha Jan 2017 #22

Hillary was entitled to the nomination and Bernie jg10003 Jan 2017 #23

Or Democrats wanted Hillary WhiteTara Jan 2017 #65

Ignoring for a moment any possible unfairness during the primaries ThirdEye Jan 2017 #86

This is more about the way he did it treestar Jan 2017 #68

"Clean issue oriented campaign" UNTIL New York. Scorched earth after that emulatorloo Jan 2017 #129

Can't say Bernie HELPED get a strong nominee to the top of the ticket SticksnStones Jan 2017 #24

Issues matter and Bernie's had broad cross-over appeal. Many Dems felt his issues mattered a great JudyM Jan 2017 #138

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Fake Progressivism ushered in Trump. delisen Jan 2017 #32

Republicans were the isolationist, America First crowd before PH Cooley Hurd Jan 2017 #35

Burton Wheeler-D Montana, David Walsh-D MA, Key Pittman,D-Nv delisen Jan 2017 #43

This otohara Jan 2017 #53

I agree WhiteTara Jan 2017 #66

More like fake progressives. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #33

My sentiments exactly. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2017 #28

A lot wrong with this article, some right. Tortmaster Jan 2017 #29

(1a) So was Johnson, in a sense JHB Jan 2017 #40

K&R n/t JTFrog Jan 2017 #34

Unlike Nader, Bernie's name was NOT on the GE Ballot. PotatoChip Jan 2017 #36

Bernie Sanders was on the ballot and unperformed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #60

Hmmm... spammm.... dionysus Jan 2017 #90

Facts are not span unless facts scare you Gothmog Jan 2017 #96

uh... kenfrequed Jan 2017 #115

You got to be kidding-no one in the real world believe in those silly match up polls Gothmog Jan 2017 #123

Absurd kenfrequed Jan 2017 #156

Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign and there was a ton of material Gothmog Jan 2017 #160

Another comically bad op-ed kenfrequed Jan 2017 #161

Sanders does not have a good record at all and would have been destroyed Gothmog Jan 2017 #162

Democrats would be insane to nominate Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #125

Dana Milbank? kenfrequed Jan 2017 #157

Sanders was not vetted by the press and would have been a weak candidate Gothmog Jan 2017 #159

Eichenwald writes a fishwrap kenfrequed Jan 2017 #163

More discussion of the Fishwrap of Eichenwald kenfrequed Jan 2017 #164

You have been cutting and pasting the same opinions (not facts) dionysus Jan 2017 #118

Ignoring the facts will not make the facts false Gothmog Jan 2017 #122

Believing an opinion doesn't make it a fact. Op-eds are opinion. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #131

Where are the millions/billions/trillions of new voters that Sanders promised Gothmog Jan 2017 #145

Facts are good things Gothmog Jan 2017 #143

Thank you for that, Gothmog.. valuble information like that can't Cha Jan 2017 #142

Sanders' proposals are not that popular Gothmog Jan 2017 #146

Polls suggest a majority support for his economic stances, but bigotry gets in the way. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #169

K&R. Paladin Jan 2017 #42

I think Hillary would have lost the pop vote outright if she tacked center like this. forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #44

It's the same narrative Bernie supporters have been promoting since the election. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #74

This is very true Gothmog Jan 2017 #45

Did Bernie hurt Hillary Clinton as she moved into the GE? Definitely NWCorona Jan 2017 #49

Actually Sanders and Nader have a great deal in common Gothmog Jan 2017 #61

Nader has things in common with a lot of elected Democrats NWCorona Jan 2017 #64

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Jan 2017 #99

I don't think either of us are wrong but what ever NWCorona Jan 2017 #105

Sanders and his agenda was on the ballot in 2016 and that agenda failed Gothmog Jan 2017 #113

Why did it fail in 2016? I can't say for sure but it was a mix of things NWCorona Jan 2017 #119

Sanders' agenda failed because it had no chance of being adopted in the real world Gothmog Jan 2017 #121

I'm willing to give it time. NWCorona Jan 2017 #132

When will these millions/billions/trillions of new voter show up Gothmog Jan 2017 #144

K&R for truth Haveadream Jan 2017 #51

This is absolutely true. Bernie distracted Democrats with his attacks on them. R B Garr Jan 2017 #52

He didn't distract her. He simply never stopped fanning the flames of division. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #55

Ahh this one again from November. Must be running out of anti-Bernie pieces so we need repeats! nt m-lekktor Jan 2017 #58

It's the same narrative Bernie supporters have been promoting since the election. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #70

But of course... certain parties here at DU realize their Sanders bullshit is about to shelf expire. Raster Jan 2017 #79

Good analysis treestar Jan 2017 #67

Yeah, I remember when Nader campaigned for Gore killbotfactory Jan 2017 #73

I know, he really worked his ass off... Raster Jan 2017 #100

Lotta words, no data. Orsino Jan 2017 #75

Simplistic, and totally ignoring the numerous voter suppression tactics employed by the GOP. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #76

I think it's perfectly legitimate to have those debates in a primary BainsBane Jan 2017 #77

What a load of shit... I cannot wait until Friday, January 20.... Raster Jan 2017 #78

God I'm So Sick Of This Bullshit Z_California Jan 2017 #81

Let's accept this... tonedevil Jan 2017 #82

What a load of horse shit. "He pushed her too far left to prevent an effective recentering" dionysus Jan 2017 #87

History judges. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #88

All I know is I've heard a whole lot of people voted for Trump only because they disliked Hillary. Vinca Jan 2017 #92

Yeah, its obvious the Democratic party wants to continue it's long slide into ignominy Arazi Jan 2017 #93

this is the opinion of one columnist.. JHan Jan 2017 #127

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #104

"intimidated by Black Lives Matter"?! Fuck this guy. JustinL Jan 2017 #112

Well, wasn't Trump their "Person of the Year" so why not? flvegan Jan 2017 #124

Time also named Trump Person of the Year. Rex Jan 2017 #139

OFFS montanacowboy Jan 2017 #151

Wow. Glad 2016 Postmortem Forum is coming to an end. tecelote Jan 2017 #154

This article is plenty nasty and unfair to HRC as well. StevieM Jan 2017 #172

After the first paragraph I had to LMOA--Really now? Bernie hurt Clinton's chances? Ugh! n/a vaberella Jan 2017 #174

I'm sure the Repukes customerserviceguy Jan 2017 #176

This is just counterproductive and serves no purpose other than to divide and conquer. AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #178

So the only way a Dem can win is to be a moderate Republican? thesquanderer Jan 2017 #179