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Leopolds Ghost

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8. It is possible to use polls for consensus. The principles as currently written call for consensus

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:29 AM

Feb 2012

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If we drop that and vote on everything, like Kevin Zeese's group, I would be a bit concerned to say the least.

A lot of groups I've worked with in real life use consensus, and that includes "mainstream"
progressive groups like Occupy Faith. Of course, if everyone jumped off a bridge that does
not mean we should, but I just had a big issue with a group IRL calling themselves Occupy
while wanting to drop the GA structure and not model themselves after Occupy.

In this case we were using Wikipedia as a model because it works well when you ignore
the encyclopedia aspects and replace it with the GA traditions instead, see here for instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA

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Opening up Discussion on Hosting Guidelines [View all] ellisonz Feb 2012 OP

Group membership is a vexing issue, given current software limitations. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #1

I think allowing any du member to vote is fine. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2

Really, I see no other practical alternative. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #6

Under the current draft of the principles that was approved on Occupy du2, the lead host has no more Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #12

See the feminist group. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #14

Yeah, it's a problem with the way the system is geared to hosting as private groups Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #16

+1 n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #25

Simple majority vote is not required for Occupy GAs to function well. So I don't think it's an issue Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #11

I hope it is kept simple JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #3

My answers to ellisonz 5Q? Chan790 Feb 2012 #4

It is possible to use polls for consensus. The principles as currently written call for consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #8

I really tend to agree with point 1. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #9

I think the thought is to set the bar fairly high. ellisonz Feb 2012 #21

I wonder if the MIRT team couldn't be tasked with alerts that include an SoP violation? Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #28

I thought we're trying to have a non-heirarchical structure, not rely on MIRT. jmho n/t Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #35

Regarding DU2 -- all the work that went into creating this forum came from DU2rs -- if you think Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #10

No, I think those decisions needed to be made here along with there. Chan790 Feb 2012 #19

To be fair, no decisions beyond the SOP have been made at all... ellisonz Feb 2012 #20

I'll be drafting a counter-proposal then. Chan790 Feb 2012 #26

There is no great rush. ellisonz Feb 2012 #27

The main host does not select co-hosts under the current draft, the group does Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #38

It was pointed out in the H&M thread many times where the work was being done. Occupy uses consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #34

How are they being marginalized if they ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #30

Do you feel they should, or should not? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #37

Truthfully - ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #45

But we haven't agreed on anything yet... Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #49

Why can't the DU2 work be presented here and accepted or not by us all? Why would anyone want to Vincardog Feb 2012 #33

I am concerned because I have done work for a liberal nonprofit where Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #36

Ellisonz, can you facilitate the thread I opened up here thats a mirror of the du2 thread? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #5

My thoughts on Ellison's questions -- Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #7

With all due respect, you sound like a teacher UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #13

Not at all. It's simply that we posted numerous links back to the threads on the group formation Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #15

Well, pardon me for not reading the terms of service UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #17

I wish you'd stay active in this conversation. Chan790 Feb 2012 #22

Alright, I'll keep an eye on it. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #23

The du2 draft guidelines thought to mention about activist credentials Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #39

No, we just told stories and ate cheese sandwhiches. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #41

What happened in LA? I didn't hear about this -- sounds awful. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #42

Protesters sitting on buses for hours with handcuffs UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #43

Why don't you grab the one or two mods who are running around on DU2 still snooper2 Feb 2012 #18

I like this idea. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #24

This sounds reasonable. I'd like to add a few quick points. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #29

Twinkles Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #40

So, is this group already ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #31

The idea is to try and be... ellisonz Feb 2012 #32

my two coppers quinnox Feb 2012 #44

Right now I've basically seeing four proposals... ellisonz Feb 2012 #46

I favour options 1 or 2 at this point. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #47

Thank you for your two-cents. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #48

What if hosts enforced SoP by Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #50

that solution has merit. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #51

I think just as a simple matter of communication... ellisonz Feb 2012 #52

I'd like to see some more ideas and opinions from other members Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #53

No doubt. ellisonz Feb 2012 #54

Anyone else have any thoughts? ellisonz Feb 2012 #55

I've been meaning to review the latest draft Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #56

No worries. ellisonz Feb 2012 #57