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nashville_brook

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17. the question should be, are these acts strategically net positive
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 09:26 PM
Feb 2012

spraypaint isn't a violent crime, but it's can be a very stupid thing to do given time/place/manner. graffiti art is one thing -- that's an acceptable "manner" if the "placement" of it is acceptable. but, if your group spray paints the park where the camp is, that's strategically a stupid "place."

here's another problem with vandalism -- if people in your group employ vandalism as a form of "speech" then every act of vandalism in your community is going to be blamed on you.

in our group we've managed to keep the vandalism down to a minimum (there's been one or two problems that were quickly addressed within the group). we encourage street art, with chalk -- and fought a legal battle over it that became a decent teaching moment about speech issues and selective prosecution. if spray paint had been the issue, we wouldn't have had the media win and would have lost the opportunity to speak to the community about selective prosecution.

the community will get behind you if you're strategic in your means of direct action. but know that they are fickle. the second you take the low road you'll lose the battle of hearts and minds.




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By your definition customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #1
Bullshit cbrer Feb 2012 #7
My point is customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #12
I agree cbrer Feb 2012 #16
burning and smashing flobee1 Feb 2012 #2
All activities on your list is a violent response except rosesaylavee Feb 2012 #3
MLK zipplewrath Feb 2012 #4
It is about civil disobedience zeemike Feb 2012 #5
destruction of property is violence. attacking, even in self defense is violence. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #6
You always take that position. DocMac Feb 2012 #8
Ok Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #13
Maybe i'm mistaken. DocMac Feb 2012 #19
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #20
I am very sympathetic to ideals of Satyagraha nonviolence Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #15
if your heart is sincere unionworks Feb 2012 #9
violent offenses include rape and assault. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #10
Flobee1, unless I speak up you and many other OWS's will never know what a great debt of gratitude.. nenagh Feb 2012 #11
Are we talking about graffiti artwork, or tagging slogans in public places? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #14
the question should be, are these acts strategically net positive nashville_brook Feb 2012 #17
Rebecca Solnit wrote a great piece on this question in the book, "Occupy: Scenes from an Occupied rhett o rick Feb 2012 #18
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