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hrmjustin

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87. You can't get a straight answer over in the other group.

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:11 AM

Aug 2014

This is just plain ridiculous.

We are accused of something and if we defend ourselves we are showing our privilege.

I think this is just a game at this point and I refuse to play.

If someone over there wants a reall discussion I will participate but this has turned into a lets insult believers fest and I want no part of it.

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Religious privilege. [View all] hrmjustin Jul 2014 OP

It pales in comparison to racial, gender and economic privilege. rug Jul 2014 #1

I agree. I also do not think there is religious privilege on DU. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #6

I do. Kali Jul 2014 #2

Sanctuaries or church buildings? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #3

oops sorry I missed your question Kali Jul 2014 #18

I imagine it could be upsetting to some people, especially those who had bad experiences hrmjustin Jul 2014 #23

Mottos on dollar bills are pretty mild privileges compared to those amassing the bills. rug Jul 2014 #4

I had to vote in a nail salon. kwassa Jul 2014 #10

I vote in my old school and everything looks so big now. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #11

wow, I don't think I have ever even heard of voting in a place of business. Kali Jul 2014 #19

My parents also voted at a car dealership okasha Jul 2014 #35

What are you complaining about? Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #14

think of some location that you do not go to voluntarily Kali Jul 2014 #15

Do you feel uncomfortable going into churches when you are traveling? cbayer Jul 2014 #16

actually yeah, sometimes Kali Jul 2014 #17

I think you are right about privilege acting like blinders. cbayer Jul 2014 #20

Why? rug Jul 2014 #51

Somehow I don't think the details on the bill okasha Jul 2014 #5

Agreed. I also don't see religious privilege here on DU. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #7

There's a certain level of privilege required okasha Jul 2014 #8

True. I wonder though as a NYer if I don't really see what atheists have to go through. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #9

Based soley on my own personal experience of more than twenty years as a non believer Leontius Jul 2014 #40

That is interesting. I have met atheists on here who say they dealwith a lot of crap and some hrmjustin Jul 2014 #41

I feel anything has more to do with how you present yourself kentauros Aug 2014 #56

Of course there is, particularly for chrisitians in this country cbayer Jul 2014 #12

Being from ny it is difficult to see it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #22

Well, it might be hard to see because you are a part of that pretty elite club. cbayer Jul 2014 #24

Actually in NYC you can't put a manger in a school but you can put a menorah. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #28

Why would you be able to put up a menorah but not a manger? cbayer Jul 2014 #31

indeed! But the couurts allowed it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #32

Are you sure about this Justin? That just doesn't make any sense. cbayer Jul 2014 #33

It was contested for years. They allowed trees but mangers were declared religious. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #34

Politicians okasha Jul 2014 #36

You've been gone too long if you forgot alternate side of the street parking. rug Jul 2014 #46

Lol. That is why I had a car for only a few months in Manhattan. cbayer Jul 2014 #52

I love all the holidays Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #83

I've always thought that alternate side of the street parking is responsible for rug Aug 2014 #89

I never understood people who chose to have a car in NYC. cbayer Aug 2014 #90

Outside the city or to the outer boroughs. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #91

Well, but you probably don't park in Manhattan for long so cbayer Aug 2014 #99

They are relaxing the rules on alternate side street parking but yes it is a pain. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #100

Well, you don't want to stand on the el on the 7 line at 3 in the morning with the wind whipping you rug Aug 2014 #92

True but the 7 is now the best run line so they run trains more often at night now. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #93

Oh, good, I'll be able to survive to freeze another day. rug Aug 2014 #94

Sounds like it aas a grueling experience. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #95

I dated a cab driver when I lived in Manhattan. cbayer Aug 2014 #101

Are you Jodie Foster? rug Aug 2014 #103

No, but I have often wanted to be. cbayer Aug 2014 #104

I also don't want to be driving on the streets at that time either. cbayer Aug 2014 #98

I don't know. Manhattan is magical at 3 in the morning. rug Aug 2014 #102

I agree. cbayer Aug 2014 #105

Religious privilege certainly exists depending on the religion you practice el_bryanto Jul 2014 #13

I suppose here in NY I just don't notice it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #21

As has been said in racial and gender contexts: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #27

Yes I can see your point. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #30

It can also be that the existence of the privilege has been grossly overstarted. rug Jul 2014 #47

Here are a few: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #25

These are excellent points and worth keeping in mind. cbayer Jul 2014 #26

You make great points here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #29

Native American religion is a bit anomalous in terms of privilege. okasha Jul 2014 #37

Somewhat o/t, but since you mentioned it: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #38

Yes. It doesn't happen very often, okasha Jul 2014 #39

How long is the process? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #43

At least a year. okasha Jul 2014 #44

My parish has about a 6 month process for baptism, confirmstion, reception, and reaffirmation. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #45

Yeah I can't imagine someone claiming Native Americans have religious privilege. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #42

I can imagine at least three who would. rug Jul 2014 #48

4 actually. I see them as a group of four now. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #49

They're a colony creature. okasha Jul 2014 #53

lol. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #54

kicking. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #50

Did you all know it is not possible to have this conversation here in interfaith. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #55

What's the rationale behind that argument? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #57

I think so. We can't possibly use our thinking caps to tackle the issue. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #58

They come over and look around el_bryanto Aug 2014 #59

I went there to defend a member but it didn't work out and I won't go back at all. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #60

I'm going to address this in defense of the person who said it. cbayer Aug 2014 #61

Well that may have been his point but he could easily have looked at the debate hrmjustin Aug 2014 #62

Privilege is so multifactorial. cbayer Aug 2014 #63

Agreed! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #64

I can see that argument, but it would be difficult to have this discussion over there el_bryanto Aug 2014 #65

They don't seem to view that choice okasha Aug 2014 #66

Well - Self Indulgence might not be the best word el_bryanto Aug 2014 #69

I think it has turned into a sport now. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #72

I was not really suggesting that it should be discussed in the religion group, cbayer Aug 2014 #67

Ah no - I understood what you meant el_bryanto Aug 2014 #68

That may be the case, but you are certainly under no obligation to cbayer Aug 2014 #70

Yes while some would honestly discuss it others would just cause issues. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #71

I get there is religious privilege in this nation. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #73

Thoughts on the recent doings in religion about religious entitlement here? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #74

It is a complicated question el_bryanto Aug 2014 #84

The hides can always be debated but I think sometimes they post things in AA thinking everyone gets hrmjustin Aug 2014 #85

kicking. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #75

Quote-mining safe havens is the result of privilege. rug Aug 2014 #76

Yeah I thought they had a rule on that. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #77

Oh, yes: "Like asking Klan members if White privilege exists or not." rug Aug 2014 #78

But we are the bad guys because we are mean and defend ourselves. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #79

Oh, the shame! rug Aug 2014 #80

Well rug I guess we should just run to the other room and beg for forgiveness. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #81

Yeah I noticed that one too el_bryanto Aug 2014 #86

In the real world? Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #82

You can't get a straight answer over in the other group. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #87

so much for religious privilege. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #88

Did somebody post the jury results on Htom's poll? stone space Aug 2014 #96

no I was told over a pm. I deleted the results so I don't have them. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #97

Btw I am sorry your post got hidden. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #106

I don't know - i hate to say it - but while a tit for tat situation certainly applies el_bryanto Aug 2014 #111

I notice that even in AA now there is a post that is suggesting things have gotten a bit weird here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #107

And of course it was met with what I expected. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #108

Can't say I'm too surprised. stone space Aug 2014 #109

And they all know the poster and treated him like he was an outcast. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #110

Excommunication: it isn't just for Catholics anymore. okasha Aug 2014 #112

I love that scene. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #113

I love that whole movie. okasha Aug 2014 #114

I have another one. rug Aug 2014 #115