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In reply to the discussion: So, Bernie, how are you going to pay for the free stuff? Details please [View all]Gothmog
(156,725 posts)41. Here's how much a Bernie Sanders presidency would cost
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If you ever wondered how much Sen. Bernie Sanderss (I-Vt.) vast array of policy proposals would cost, we now have a reasonably good estimate from his own staff. The answer is about $50 trillion over the next decade. Sanders may or may not be a democratic socialist whatever that means but he clearly is a soak-the-rich radical who would dramatically expand the governments role, from cradle to grave.
Whether most Americans prefer Sanderss statist agenda to the alleged abuses of corporations and Wall Street (the notorious top 1 percent) is what defines this election. Whatever the case, Sanders is proposing a hugely expensive transformation.
Lets examine the $50 trillion. The list below shows various spending programs that Sanders has proposed, with one important exception: The first item on the list is the Congressional Budget Offices estimate of the deficits under existing policies for the next decade. That figure is $13.1 trillion.
Sanderss Spending, 2021-2030:
1. Deficits under existing policies: $13.1 trillion
2. Free college for all and the cancellation of existing student debt: $2.2 trillion
3. Expand Social Security and other retirement benefits: $1.4 trillion (estimated by the Progressive Policy Institute)
4. Housing for all: $2.5 trillion
5. Eliminating household medical debt: $81 billion
6. Green New Deal (programs to stop global warming): $16.3 trillion
7. Universal child care and preschool: $1.5 trillion
8. Medicare-for-all: $17.5 trillion
Total: $54.6 trillion
Whether most Americans prefer Sanderss statist agenda to the alleged abuses of corporations and Wall Street (the notorious top 1 percent) is what defines this election. Whatever the case, Sanders is proposing a hugely expensive transformation.
Lets examine the $50 trillion. The list below shows various spending programs that Sanders has proposed, with one important exception: The first item on the list is the Congressional Budget Offices estimate of the deficits under existing policies for the next decade. That figure is $13.1 trillion.
Sanderss Spending, 2021-2030:
1. Deficits under existing policies: $13.1 trillion
2. Free college for all and the cancellation of existing student debt: $2.2 trillion
3. Expand Social Security and other retirement benefits: $1.4 trillion (estimated by the Progressive Policy Institute)
4. Housing for all: $2.5 trillion
5. Eliminating household medical debt: $81 billion
6. Green New Deal (programs to stop global warming): $16.3 trillion
7. Universal child care and preschool: $1.5 trillion
8. Medicare-for-all: $17.5 trillion
Total: $54.6 trillion
The problem is that sanders has no idea as to how pay for these progarms
Sanderss proposals wont raise nearly as much money as he thinks they will, says Howard Gleckman of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Even if they did, they wont pay for everything he wants.
For example, Sanders proposes a wealth tax on taxpayers with a net worth (assets minus liabilities) of $32 million or more. The tax would gradually rise from 1 percent up to 8 percent on fortunes exceeding $10 billion. Sanders estimates this would raise $4.35 trillion over a decade.
Not likely, says Gleckman. About half of the wealth of the rich is contained in privately held businesses that, unlike publicly traded stocks, are hard to value. He thinks the tax would raise far less than expected. Rich people wont stand by and pay taxes, he says.
They will hire expensive lawyers to avoid taxes. Similar problems would erode revenue from a proposed tax on financial transactions, he says.
Even with some added tax revenue, there still would be a $25 trillion gap between Sanderss spending plans and an equivalent amount of new tax revenue, says analyst Ben Ritz of the PPI. Federal spending would approach 40 percent of gross domestic product, up from about 20 percent now.
Sanderss proposals wont raise nearly as much money as he thinks they will, says Howard Gleckman of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Even if they did, they wont pay for everything he wants.
For example, Sanders proposes a wealth tax on taxpayers with a net worth (assets minus liabilities) of $32 million or more. The tax would gradually rise from 1 percent up to 8 percent on fortunes exceeding $10 billion. Sanders estimates this would raise $4.35 trillion over a decade.
Not likely, says Gleckman. About half of the wealth of the rich is contained in privately held businesses that, unlike publicly traded stocks, are hard to value. He thinks the tax would raise far less than expected. Rich people wont stand by and pay taxes, he says.
They will hire expensive lawyers to avoid taxes. Similar problems would erode revenue from a proposed tax on financial transactions, he says.
Even with some added tax revenue, there still would be a $25 trillion gap between Sanderss spending plans and an equivalent amount of new tax revenue, says analyst Ben Ritz of the PPI. Federal spending would approach 40 percent of gross domestic product, up from about 20 percent now.
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So, Bernie, how are you going to pay for the free stuff? Details please [View all]
Jersey Devil
Mar 2020
OP
tax the rich. nationalize businesses? Aint that the play out of the socialist playbook?
beachbumbob
Mar 2020
#3
It ain't 'free stuff'. Europeans have it. It ain't 'free'. They just choose to pay for
pampango
Mar 2020
#6
Fine. Go ahead and join Trump and FOX News in calling any liberal program just 'free stuff'.
pampango
Mar 2020
#12
If you want a society like Germany or Sweden, you should probably do what they do.
pampango
Mar 2020
#16
CNN-Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record
Gothmog
Mar 2020
#42
If you already have employer paid health insurance, why wouldn't your employer
Meadowoak
Mar 2020
#11
Sanders still won't be honest with the American people about how much his plans cost
Gothmog
Mar 2020
#43
Sounds good but you have to back it up with numbers - you can't just point at Daddy Warbucks
Jersey Devil
Mar 2020
#20
Obviously we would be paying for it through our taxes... but the rich would pay the bigger share
budkin
Mar 2020
#27
As FDR said if people are suffering, try something. If that doesn't work try something else.
pampango
Mar 2020
#44
He is not going to be president but, if he were elected with his well-known liberal policy
pampango
Mar 2020
#47