No one did fucking more for marriage equality Than Joe Biden.

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11. Biden was at least highly ambiguous.

3. In the Vice Presidential Candidate debate, Joe Biden made a very ambiguous statement in response to the question “Do you support gay marriage?”

BIDEN:

"No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it. The bottom line though is, and I'm glad to hear the governor, I take her at her word, obviously, that she think there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple”

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We were heavily battling California Proposition 8 at the time and my suggestion to the campaign was to take the underlined part of Biden’s reply (slightly out of context) and use it as a part of the "No on 8" advertising. They ignored me.

However, the fact is, that at the time Biden made the statement, marriage had already been redefined in California. There was definitely a case for using some subterfuge and misdirection to say that the candidates for President and VP did not support redefining marriage to be between a man and a woman as the initiative sought to achieve.

Proposition 8 passed and marriage was redefined in a discriminatory fashion in California as a result.

I still support Biden over Bernie.

Ref http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/debates/transcripts/vice-presidential-debate.html