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(57,939 posts) Mon Dec 9, 2024, 06:22 PM Monday

Seriously, what's the difference between Penny, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse? [View all]

They all caused the death of another human being. Penny is considered a sympathetic figure but the other two are not, yet they all caused the death of another human being...two in Rittenhouse's case.

It's very discouraging that the dominant sentiment here on DU is that Penny should go unpunished.

WTH? Nothing?

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Seriously, what's the difference between Penny, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse? [View all] brush Monday OP

People have more experience with an irrational person in crisis on public transportation than actively hunting WhiskeyGrinder Monday #1

Yes. The cases are a lot closer than they first seem to be... brush Monday #3

The little I know about the case Just_Vote_Dem Monday #6

So do I. B.See Monday #20

Involuntary manslaughter. Lunabell Monday #47

I thought our aspiration here WAS to keep people out of jail. yagotme Monday #7

Oh, please, the man caused the death of another person. brush Monday #8

No, he didn't. Seeking Serenity Monday #12

Well, sorry you feel that way... nt yagotme Monday #21

DA overcharged Sundance1220 12 hrs ago #97

Both Zimmerman and Rittenhouse went looking for trouble. BlueTsunami2018 Monday #2

So no punishment at all for causing a man's death? brush Monday #4

Penny didn't cause Neely's death. Seeking Serenity Monday #11

Oh, really, choking him for six minutes within an inch of death... brush Monday #15

He wasn't "choking" him. The ME, when she first autopsied Neely's body, Seeking Serenity Monday #35

No. She testified the chokehold was the sole cause of Neely's death Quiet Em Monday #55

After her written report couldn't determine a cause of death Seeking Serenity Monday #63

She did not. Quiet Em Monday #65

It was the jury's opinion, verdict, that he wasn't guilty of the charges MarineCombatEngineer Monday #16

Do you agree that causing another man's death should go unpunished? brush Monday #19

I don't know enough about this case to render an opinion and I have zero interest in learning any more about it. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #25

Lots of time that is true EX500rider Monday #59

In that scenario, no. But not having enough sense to know not to choke... brush Monday #71

Yes, when twelve people sit in judgement of another Dumpy Monday #69

Ok. But there's still a dead body he caused. Nice dodge though. brush Monday #74

no dodge, follow the law and rules of the justice system. Dumpy Tuesday #93

The rules of the justice system allows consequences, in fact most often calls for them for causing the death... brush Tuesday #94

Yes, except in the case of self defense, or the defense of others. yagotme 13 hrs ago #96

Apparently not. BlueTsunami2018 Monday #28

you asked what the difference was. NoRethugFriends Monday #58

Should Jordan Williams have been charged for killing someone? Dr. Strange 12 hrs ago #103

+1 Celerity Tuesday #86

All three were acquitted by juries, so no differences there. n/t MichMan Monday #5

So state an opinion. Is that a good thing? brush Monday #10

Yes, it is. I am in no way in favour of innocent people being put in prison. Seeking Serenity Monday #14

Causing another person's death, though well-intentioned... brush Monday #26

He wasn't "choking" him. Seeking Serenity Monday #40

I remember trolls here on DU fought tooth and nail for Rittenhouse. Kingofalldems Monday #9

I was not on the jury, but maybe they know something we don't. DontBelieveEastisEas Monday #82

It's just how it is Sympthsical Tuesday #85

What's the difference Cirsium Monday #13

Should or should not is moot at this point. Seeking Serenity Monday #18

Hard to keep track Cirsium Monday #24

Not a murder. Seeking Serenity Monday #45

Deaths Cirsium Monday #73

Keep reading the thread. Most seem to thing he should go unpunished. brush Monday #30

I'm sorry, but this case wasn't on my radar. Maybe too much election stuff. LeftInTX Monday #17

I love this idea of "should be found guilty of something" Seeking Serenity Monday #23

What do you think should happen to a person who caused another's death... brush Monday #31

Investigated. If charges are warranted, file a bill of particulars. Seeking Serenity Monday #52

So we jail people for what 'might' happen now? Ontheboundry 12 hrs ago #105

White male privilege and racism, pure and simple. Inocent of all charges after causing a Black man's death. brush 11 hrs ago #109

That don't answer my q Ontheboundry 10 hrs ago #111

Bernie G. went looking for targets. yagotme Monday #29

He didn't have enough sense to know that choking someone for six... brush Monday #34

Obviously, the jury thought differently. yagotme Monday #36

There were attempts to politicize it, but it never caught fire. Sneederbunk Monday #41

Lack of evidence or evidence contradicting a murder charge. Pretty simple to those who know American law. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Monday #22

And he wasn't charged with murder. Seeking Serenity Monday #27

Good thing he did nothing. Just like the guy who was unfortunately near the NYC CEO. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Monday #32

A dead body from a choke hold for six minutes is a lack of evidence?Z brush Monday #37

The ability to defend yourself from an aggressor, physical or not, has been enshrined in law millennia ago. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #44

The guy didn't have eonugh sense to know choking someone for six minutes... brush Monday #49

I've gone through CQC training; It's entirely possible to be "Choked" for six minutes without losing consciousness Hellbound Hellhound Monday #51

Everyone's ignoring your "Elephant" for a reason. The color of someone's skin doesn't change the fact Hellbound Hellhound Monday #57

Nice attitude, dude. (sarcasm gif here.) brush Monday #62

I think it speaks to how political "justice" is. DJ Synikus Makisimus Monday #33

Maybe racism too. Reverse the choker and the chokee... brush Monday #39

To do (or not) racism is a political choice DJ Synikus Makisimus Monday #53

True enough. I think it was at play in this case. brush Monday #56

A black man was also involved in restraining Neely Seeking Serenity Monday #61

He didn't administer a choke hold for six minutes. brush Monday #66

You may be right. It may be that they would have wrongly convicted the black man. DontBelieveEastisEas Tuesday #88

Yeah, he held it too long. Six minutes. It was reported on cable... brush Tuesday #89

"even after authorities arrived" you'd think they would have told him to let go! DontBelieveEastisEas Tuesday #90

Emergency Medical corp got ther first I take it, not much detail in the cable report. brush Tuesday #91

Are you saying you'd keep choking for six minutes or more until authrities arrived? brush 11 hrs ago #107

I said I would stay in the choke position, that does not mean continuing to choke. And the fact may be that DontBelieveEastisEas 3 hrs ago #113

He caused a death. Went Scott free with not even a wrist slap of a jail... brush 3 hrs ago #114

If you argue that restraint would have been considered necessary by a significant portion of rational people, then if DontBelieveEastisEas 2 hrs ago #115

Penny went too far. Didn't have enough sense to not choke someone.. brush 2 hrs ago #116

I agree with you, if your premise is right, "six minutes of choke time" Is there any testimony where they said the choke DontBelieveEastisEas 2 hrs ago #117

Not necessarily cabotnn22 12 hrs ago #102

He didn't use a gun, but beyond that not much. alarimer Monday #38

Agreed. Hate to be his wife or girlfriend. brush Monday #42

Penny's use of deadly force was sustained and persistent despite others attempting RockRaven Monday #43

The "others" were ASSISTING him, that I could see. yagotme Monday #50

He killed a homeless black man Bettie Monday #46

He killed a psychopathic serial sexual assaulter who happened to be poor. Race irrelevant. Fixed that for you. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #48

Wow. You're a nice guy. (sarcasm gif here). brush Monday #54

You're right, I am. What, you want I should lower my morality to meet the lowest denominator? Hellbound Hellhound Monday #60

Again, sarcasm gif here. Dead body from someone not having enough sense to release... brush Monday #64

Sarcasm is a refuge of a weak mind and an incapable soul. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #70

Give it a rest. We know by now with your posts where you stand. brush Monday #72

Ugh Quiet Em Monday #75

We seem to disagree on what higher standards are. brush Monday #68

Are we now pretending he was just Sundance1220 12 hrs ago #99

He was acting erratic and yes, he was bothering people Bettie 10 hrs ago #110

I find it very sad and disheartening. Quiet Em Monday #67

Agreed. Some punishment seems appropriate. brush Monday #78

Then blame the DA for overcharging Sundance1220 12 hrs ago #100

FWIW, right wingers on various forums see no difference and explicitly make the comparison. 4th Monday #76

Thanks. Agreed. There seems to be whiff of maga here on DU of all places. brush Monday #77

Not all deaths require prison manicdem Monday #79

Penny and no one else in that car knew anything about his past... brush Tuesday #83

Skittles lame54 Monday #80

The way the authorities handled them lame54 Monday #81

One was out looking to kill, one was out looking for trouble, and one jumped in and potentially saved lives n/t Polybius Tuesday #84

But didn't have sense enough to know not to choke someone for six minutes. brush Tuesday #87

Seems closer to the cop that killed Sewa Tuesday #92

That cop that killed Mr. Floyd Sundance1220 12 hrs ago #101

He still caused his death. It's blatant white, male privilege and obvious racism... brush 3 hrs ago #112

As someone who lost a lot of friends on DU over Zimmerman Blue_Tires Tuesday #95

Serious Answer: Zimmerman & Rittenhouse were charged with crimes of intent. Penny was not. mathematic 12 hrs ago #98

And Mangione. CrispyQ 12 hrs ago #104

None, they're all ThePartyThatListens 12 hrs ago #106

Your broad brush is annoying happy feet 11 hrs ago #108

It wasn't like I thought, I thought he would be passed out within a minute, but he wasn't. DontBelieveEastisEas 2 hrs ago #118