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In reply to the discussion: Seriously, what's the difference between Penny, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse? [View all]DontBelieveEastisEas
(1,142 posts)88. You may be right. It may be that they would have wrongly convicted the black man.
It could be that the cause of death happened in the first minute?
Then, he stayed in position in case the person started to struggle again.
I imagine that if I ever had to put some criminal in a choke hold, that I would maintain that position until the authorities or a friendly crowd arrived to help hold them in captivity.
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2011/07/ask-the-fight-doc-is-brain-damage-possible-when-chokes-are-held-too-long
In the internal carotid artery lies a very important structure called the carotid sinus or bulb. Next to this artery runs the vagus nerve. Compressing these structures causes the body to respond in some very significant ways primarily decreasing blood pressure and heart rate. Some people (usually unbeknown to them) can have a hypersensitive carotid sinus which when compressed/stimulated can cause a profound drop in blood pressure and heart rate. In these cases, a dangerously irregular heart beat (arrhythmia) can ensue.
Lets put it all together.
The choke goes in, and its deep. Your carotid arteries are compressed shut thus significantly reducing blood flow to the brain. The carotid sinus and vagus nerves are also compressed and stimulated to drop blood pressure to the body and heart rate. As luck would have it, you are left in the hands of a less-than-attentive or poorly educated referee, and they are slow to recognize your state of altered consciousness.
Your heart rate and blood pressure continue to plummet. If you happen to be one of those uncommon and unfortunate souls that have a hypersensitive carotid sinus, it isnt going to be lack of blood flow to the brain that does you in. You should be concerned about that wildly irregular heart beat (arrhythmia).
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Seriously, what's the difference between Penny, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse? [View all]
brush
Monday
OP
People have more experience with an irrational person in crisis on public transportation than actively hunting
WhiskeyGrinder
Monday
#1
It was the jury's opinion, verdict, that he wasn't guilty of the charges
MarineCombatEngineer
Monday
#16
I don't know enough about this case to render an opinion and I have zero interest in learning any more about it.
MarineCombatEngineer
Monday
#25
The rules of the justice system allows consequences, in fact most often calls for them for causing the death...
brush
Tuesday
#94
Yes, it is. I am in no way in favour of innocent people being put in prison.
Seeking Serenity
Monday
#14
White male privilege and racism, pure and simple. Inocent of all charges after causing a Black man's death.
brush
Wednesday
#109
Lack of evidence or evidence contradicting a murder charge. Pretty simple to those who know American law. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Monday
#22
Good thing he did nothing. Just like the guy who was unfortunately near the NYC CEO. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
Monday
#32
The ability to defend yourself from an aggressor, physical or not, has been enshrined in law millennia ago.
Hellbound Hellhound
Monday
#44
I've gone through CQC training; It's entirely possible to be "Choked" for six minutes without losing consciousness
Hellbound Hellhound
Monday
#51
Everyone's ignoring your "Elephant" for a reason. The color of someone's skin doesn't change the fact
Hellbound Hellhound
Monday
#57
You may be right. It may be that they would have wrongly convicted the black man.
DontBelieveEastisEas
Tuesday
#88
"even after authorities arrived" you'd think they would have told him to let go!
DontBelieveEastisEas
Tuesday
#90
Emergency Medical corp got ther first I take it, not much detail in the cable report.
brush
Tuesday
#91
Are you saying you'd keep choking for six minutes or more until authrities arrived?
brush
Wednesday
#107
I said I would stay in the choke position, that does not mean continuing to choke. And the fact may be that
DontBelieveEastisEas
Wednesday
#113
If you argue that restraint would have been considered necessary by a significant portion of rational people, then if
DontBelieveEastisEas
Wednesday
#115
I agree with you, if your premise is right, "six minutes of choke time" Is there any testimony where they said the choke
DontBelieveEastisEas
Wednesday
#117
Penny's use of deadly force was sustained and persistent despite others attempting
RockRaven
Monday
#43
He killed a psychopathic serial sexual assaulter who happened to be poor. Race irrelevant. Fixed that for you.
Hellbound Hellhound
Monday
#48
You're right, I am. What, you want I should lower my morality to meet the lowest denominator?
Hellbound Hellhound
Monday
#60
Again, sarcasm gif here. Dead body from someone not having enough sense to release...
brush
Monday
#64
FWIW, right wingers on various forums see no difference and explicitly make the comparison.
4th
Monday
#76
One was out looking to kill, one was out looking for trouble, and one jumped in and potentially saved lives n/t
Polybius
Tuesday
#84
He still caused his death. It's blatant white, male privilege and obvious racism...
brush
Wednesday
#112
Serious Answer: Zimmerman & Rittenhouse were charged with crimes of intent. Penny was not.
mathematic
Wednesday
#98
It wasn't like I thought, I thought he would be passed out within a minute, but he wasn't.
DontBelieveEastisEas
Wednesday
#118