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Bluetus

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43. It is about messaging: when and HOW messages are delivered

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:11 AM

Dec 11

Note this item from the OP:

“When we were (knocking) at the doors … it was pretty clear that Trump was winning the fight about dealing with inflation and kitchen table issues and Democrats essentially were being viewed as the party of abortion.”

Frankly, I don't remember Biden EVER saying anything about the economy during the campaign, and I remember little of what Harris said about it. That doesn't mean that they were silent. It means they were not IMPACTFUL.

On the abortion issue, Harris seemed to give that issue about half the bandwidth of the campaign, and she was at least a little specific. She said that we would somehow return to the Roe standard, but never said how. On the economy, I challenge anybody to find a single moment during the campaign when Harris, Walz, or Biden ever talked about any specific measures they were willing to fight for. For example, did any of them ever mention a windfall profits tax? Or any other specific response to the price gouging? If they did, I never heard it.

For that matter, were there ANY specific proposals for legislation or executive action that Harris campaigned on? I don't remember any.

Compare that to Trump. He talked specifics:
* Deport 20 million "illegals"
* Put tariffs on every imported product
* etc.

We can all say Trump's ideas are not practical and he isn't sincere about them, but they are MEMORABLE, and sound like a person trying to do something.

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Exit polls reveal why Trump made huge gains with blue-collar union members [View all] SunSeeker Dec 11 OP

Revisit these voters in the coming years and let me know if they realize what they've done to themselves. NoMoreRepugs Dec 11 #1

And that 50% are the Trump voters... Septua Dec 11 #5

As long as there's a scapegoat or boogeyman to explain away the obvious Probatim Dec 11 #37

They are exactly in that shape Blue Full Moon Dec 11 #41

Good luck getting a law passed that only allows the "educated" people to vote DSandra Dec 11 #60

Forty years ago, or maybe even 20, it was allegedly "the Democrats" who were the "low-information voters", Jack Valentino Dec 11 #80

Agreed yardwork Dec 12 #91

..the No. 1 issue on the mind of working-class people...was inflation and the cost of living... Septua Dec 11 #2

That and the fact that markodochartaigh Dec 11 #26

THIS is the elephant (symbol) in the room. The media throws shade on the democrats EVERY TIME. BComplex Dec 11 #68

It was the sexism. Don't ever believe otherwise. valleyrogue Dec 11 #29

So 3 options going forward: kelly1mm Dec 11 #45

Or find a way to appeal to them without acquiescing to their grievances EdmondDantes_ Dec 11 #63

Price freezes Blue Full Moon Dec 11 #42

The price gouging laws address significant price increases in areas with hurricanes or extended power outages etc. MichMan Dec 11 #55

Pandemic would fit right in then. Blue Full Moon Dec 11 #70

Not sure how many were ever prosecuted on a state or local level MichMan Dec 11 #71

It is about messaging: when and HOW messages are delivered Bluetus Dec 11 #43

I need DUers to please STOP this endless bullshit about "messaging" Blue_Tires Dec 11 #75

This election proves beyond any doubt that Bluetus Dec 11 #79

So loud, angry buffoonery that's confident will always win out against quiet, drama-free competence? Blue_Tires Dec 11 #81

I didn't vote for the guy Bluetus Dec 12 #86

We must be talking about two different elections... Blue_Tires Dec 12 #88

Trump was very specific. Bluetus Dec 12 #89

The Project 2025 that Donnie spent the entire campaign distancing himself from? Blue_Tires Dec 12 #90

Yes, exactly. That's the point. Bluetus Dec 12 #95

So in other words just tell people what they want to hear Blue_Tires Dec 12 #97

Oh, and welcome to DU... Blue_Tires Dec 11 #82

Why didn't Biden trumpet his achievements in terms of building factories in red areas? DSandra Dec 11 #61

Umm, if you have access to many experts and some of the best and brightest minds... DSandra Dec 11 #62

Apparently, they don't plan on retiring C_U_L8R Dec 11 #3

Union workers voting Republican Thrill Dec 11 #4

Shooting themselves in the foot to entertain their employer. Emile Dec 11 #10

I worked in union shops for over 40 years. I would say about 1/3 of the members doc03 Dec 11 #15

Your description of union workers voting Republican was exactly what I saw. walkingman Dec 11 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 11 #52

It's all rationalizations for racism and sexism JT45242 Dec 11 #6

Roll with that as the only reason we lost and we will keep on losing. Celerity Dec 11 #25

Yes can someone find the racial MotownPgh Dec 11 #30

62.6% of union members are white. SunSeeker Dec 12 #101

Thanks for this! MotownPgh Dec 12 #103

[post deleted] DSandra Dec 11 #64

Democrats should have been calling the inflation the Trump inflation from doc03 Dec 11 #7

And BeerBarrelPolka Dec 11 #9

I will never understand why they think Trump will help the economy. Iris Dec 11 #8

Because the media has built Trump to be a great real estate doc03 Dec 11 #13

Why does it have to be Ds fault Cosmocat Dec 11 #11

Because stupid people need to blame someone for their self-created problems. canuckledragger Dec 11 #14

Because Republican con artists exploit any weakness that Dems have DSandra Dec 11 #59

Finally, someone said it! Sorceress Dec 11 #65

Kind of hard to get a new electorate though. And 'the voters are stupid' is probably not a winning slogan. nt kelly1mm Dec 12 #102

Kamala was a black woman so her speaking on the issues JI7 Dec 11 #12

There's not one reason but that was part of it. Passages Dec 11 #16

I guess the way they saw it, one candidate promised to miraculously bring down prices, the other one didn't. SunSeeker Dec 11 #21

I would not mistake too much of the culprit to those who watch Fox. Passages Dec 11 #51

And Biden did a lot on minimum wage bucolic_frolic Dec 11 #17

No. They cared only that a white, racist, valleyrogue Dec 11 #27

What did President Biden do on the minimum wage? Still the same $7.25 per hour federal kelly1mm Dec 11 #49

Did he? George W Bush was the last President to sign a minimum wage increase Jose Garcia Dec 12 #92

Trump didn't make any appeal to those voters except his racism bigtree Dec 11 #18

Excellent post! nt LittleGirl Dec 11 #19

You know, I bet during their "discussions" Aviation Pro Dec 11 #20

I was thinking the same thoughts. Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 11 #56

Short. They loved the lies. usonian Dec 11 #22

We need a media DownriverDem Dec 11 #23

Baloney. valleyrogue Dec 11 #24

Yep Deminpenn Dec 11 #35

It was rigged. Meadowoak Dec 11 #28

They did the same thing against Carter when running against reagan, and one would have thought they learned there lesson JohnSJ Dec 11 #31

Real Wage Index came from below hell to slightly above it and they blamed Biden uponit7771 Dec 11 #32

Enjoy the next 4 years, traitorous trump-voting union members. Paladin Dec 11 #33

Look, we democrats need Abstractartist Dec 11 #34

The economy IS setting records. Inflation, also, is NEVER ZERO. CousinIT Dec 11 #36

Agreed. SunSeeker Dec 12 #98

So much more utter BS. It was white supremacy. ananda Dec 11 #38

There might be a time get the red out Dec 11 #39

Only a small fraction of the blue collar class is unionized MichMan Dec 11 #40

With respect to inflation, they haven't seen anything yet. NNadir Dec 11 #44

Her race+her sex+his lies equals Mad King Donald's victory Dem4life1970 Dec 11 #46

And a lot of Musk and Putin energy and money displacedvermoter Dec 11 #53

As always, their vote was in diametric opposition to their interests. dchill Dec 11 #47

Why didn't this powerful union member mention that Biden and Harris travelingthrulife Dec 11 #48

Eggs cost too much Americanme Dec 11 #50

Our society forces many Americans to work, work, work... DSandra Dec 11 #58

The truth is Beck23 Dec 11 #54

People tend to be blind to the lives of people outside their economic class, many don't realize how hard others have it DSandra Dec 11 #57

I don't know who Empower or PRNewswire is, but the The Fed has been keeping track of this information: W_HAMILTON Dec 11 #69

So you think the economic suffering is "all in our heads?" DSandra Dec 11 #72

Not in all of our heads, no. But in many of THEIR heads, yes. W_HAMILTON Dec 11 #73

That data is really interesting Johnny2X2X Dec 12 #85

The truth is that propaganda is extremely powerful Johnny2X2X Dec 11 #66

Couldn't agree more n/t dpibel Dec 11 #77

I hope a lesson learned is that ThePartyThatListens Dec 11 #67

The word Ted Pappageorge is looking for is "RACISM" Blue_Tires Dec 11 #74

I agree with both of your posts. underpants Dec 12 #84

If inflation/cost of living was the key issue, why did vote for the candidate most likely to cause more inflation? LonePirate Dec 11 #76

OKAY, EXPLAIN IT TO ME LIKE I'M FIVE.... Blue_Tires Dec 11 #78

Gmafb. At the end of the day, they were stupid. ecstatic Dec 12 #87

They are going to just love and embrace what is coming. republianmushroom Dec 12 #93

The alpha male dude bro sphere was a huge influence. Initech Dec 12 #94

When it comes to grocery prices, Trump suddenly changes his tune LetMyPeopleVote Dec 12 #96

This has been my personal talking point for the last year... WarGamer Dec 12 #99

Wow, if you really believe that, GOP propaganda has been even more effective than I thought. SunSeeker Dec 12 #100