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107. Are you saying you'd keep choking for six minutes or more until authrities arrived?

Reply to DontBelieveEastisEas (Reply #88)

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:46 PM

Dec 2024

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After what you wrote you have to know that could kill a person.

Apparently macho boy Penny didn't have enough sense either to stop choking Neely to let him breathe. Result. Death. And no charge by racist NYC jury.

See posts 127 and 131 about how racist some NYers are.

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Seriously, what's the difference between Penny, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse? [View all] brush Dec 2024 OP

People have more experience with an irrational person in crisis on public transportation than actively hunting WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2024 #1

Yes. The cases are a lot closer than they first seem to be... brush Dec 2024 #3

The little I know about the case Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2024 #6

So do I. B.See Dec 2024 #20

Involuntary manslaughter. Lunabell Dec 2024 #47

I thought our aspiration here WAS to keep people out of jail. yagotme Dec 2024 #7

Oh, please, the man caused the death of another person. brush Dec 2024 #8

No, he didn't. Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #12

Well, sorry you feel that way... nt yagotme Dec 2024 #21

DA overcharged Sundance1220 Dec 2024 #97

Both Zimmerman and Rittenhouse went looking for trouble. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2024 #2

So no punishment at all for causing a man's death? brush Dec 2024 #4

Penny didn't cause Neely's death. Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #11

Oh, really, choking him for six minutes within an inch of death... brush Dec 2024 #15

He wasn't "choking" him. The ME, when she first autopsied Neely's body, Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #35

No. She testified the chokehold was the sole cause of Neely's death Quiet Em Dec 2024 #55

After her written report couldn't determine a cause of death Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #63

She did not. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #65

It was the jury's opinion, verdict, that he wasn't guilty of the charges MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2024 #16

Do you agree that causing another man's death should go unpunished? brush Dec 2024 #19

I don't know enough about this case to render an opinion and I have zero interest in learning any more about it. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2024 #25

Lots of time that is true EX500rider Dec 2024 #59

In that scenario, no. But not having enough sense to know not to choke... brush Dec 2024 #71

Yes, when twelve people sit in judgement of another Dumpy Dec 2024 #69

Ok. But there's still a dead body he caused. Nice dodge though. brush Dec 2024 #74

no dodge, follow the law and rules of the justice system. Dumpy Dec 2024 #93

The rules of the justice system allows consequences, in fact most often calls for them for causing the death... brush Dec 2024 #94

Yes, except in the case of self defense, or the defense of others. yagotme Dec 2024 #96

Apparently not. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2024 #28

you asked what the difference was. NoRethugFriends Dec 2024 #58

Should Jordan Williams have been charged for killing someone? Dr. Strange Dec 2024 #103

+1 Celerity Dec 2024 #86

All three were acquitted by juries, so no differences there. n/t MichMan Dec 2024 #5

So state an opinion. Is that a good thing? brush Dec 2024 #10

Yes, it is. I am in no way in favour of innocent people being put in prison. Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #14

Causing another person's death, though well-intentioned... brush Dec 2024 #26

He wasn't "choking" him. Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #40

I remember trolls here on DU fought tooth and nail for Rittenhouse. Kingofalldems Dec 2024 #9

I was not on the jury, but maybe they know something we don't. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #82

It's just how it is Sympthsical Dec 2024 #85

What's the difference Cirsium Dec 2024 #13

Should or should not is moot at this point. Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #18

Hard to keep track Cirsium Dec 2024 #24

Not a murder. Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #45

Deaths Cirsium Dec 2024 #73

Keep reading the thread. Most seem to thing he should go unpunished. brush Dec 2024 #30

I'm sorry, but this case wasn't on my radar. Maybe too much election stuff. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #17

I love this idea of "should be found guilty of something" Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #23

What do you think should happen to a person who caused another's death... brush Dec 2024 #31

Investigated. If charges are warranted, file a bill of particulars. Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #52

So we jail people for what 'might' happen now? Ontheboundry Dec 2024 #105

White male privilege and racism, pure and simple. Inocent of all charges after causing a Black man's death. brush Dec 2024 #109

That don't answer my q Ontheboundry Dec 2024 #111

Bernie G. went looking for targets. yagotme Dec 2024 #29

He didn't have enough sense to know that choking someone for six... brush Dec 2024 #34

Obviously, the jury thought differently. yagotme Dec 2024 #36

There were attempts to politicize it, but it never caught fire. Sneederbunk Dec 2024 #41

Lack of evidence or evidence contradicting a murder charge. Pretty simple to those who know American law. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #22

And he wasn't charged with murder. Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #27

Good thing he did nothing. Just like the guy who was unfortunately near the NYC CEO. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #32

A dead body from a choke hold for six minutes is a lack of evidence?Z brush Dec 2024 #37

The ability to defend yourself from an aggressor, physical or not, has been enshrined in law millennia ago. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #44

The guy didn't have eonugh sense to know choking someone for six minutes... brush Dec 2024 #49

I've gone through CQC training; It's entirely possible to be "Choked" for six minutes without losing consciousness Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #51

Everyone's ignoring your "Elephant" for a reason. The color of someone's skin doesn't change the fact Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #57

Nice attitude, dude. (sarcasm gif here.) brush Dec 2024 #62

I think it speaks to how political "justice" is. DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 2024 #33

Maybe racism too. Reverse the choker and the chokee... brush Dec 2024 #39

To do (or not) racism is a political choice DJ Synikus Makisimus Dec 2024 #53

True enough. I think it was at play in this case. brush Dec 2024 #56

A black man was also involved in restraining Neely Seeking Serenity Dec 2024 #61

He didn't administer a choke hold for six minutes. brush Dec 2024 #66

You may be right. It may be that they would have wrongly convicted the black man. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #88

Yeah, he held it too long. Six minutes. It was reported on cable... brush Dec 2024 #89

"even after authorities arrived" you'd think they would have told him to let go! DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #90

Emergency Medical corp got ther first I take it, not much detail in the cable report. brush Dec 2024 #91

Are you saying you'd keep choking for six minutes or more until authrities arrived? brush Dec 2024 #107

I said I would stay in the choke position, that does not mean continuing to choke. And the fact may be that DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #113

He caused a death. Went Scott free with not even a wrist slap of a jail... brush Dec 2024 #114

If you argue that restraint would have been considered necessary by a significant portion of rational people, then if DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #115

Penny went too far. Didn't have enough sense to not choke someone.. brush Dec 2024 #116

I agree with you, if your premise is right, "six minutes of choke time" Is there any testimony where they said the choke DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #117

Not necessarily cabotnn22 Dec 2024 #102

He didn't use a gun, but beyond that not much. alarimer Dec 2024 #38

Agreed. Hate to be his wife or girlfriend. brush Dec 2024 #42

Penny's use of deadly force was sustained and persistent despite others attempting RockRaven Dec 2024 #43

The "others" were ASSISTING him, that I could see. yagotme Dec 2024 #50

He killed a homeless black man Bettie Dec 2024 #46

He killed a psychopathic serial sexual assaulter who happened to be poor. Race irrelevant. Fixed that for you. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #48

Wow. You're a nice guy. (sarcasm gif here). brush Dec 2024 #54

You're right, I am. What, you want I should lower my morality to meet the lowest denominator? Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #60

Again, sarcasm gif here. Dead body from someone not having enough sense to release... brush Dec 2024 #64

Sarcasm is a refuge of a weak mind and an incapable soul. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #70

Give it a rest. We know by now with your posts where you stand. brush Dec 2024 #72

Ugh Quiet Em Dec 2024 #75

We seem to disagree on what higher standards are. brush Dec 2024 #68

Are we now pretending he was just Sundance1220 Dec 2024 #99

He was acting erratic and yes, he was bothering people Bettie Dec 2024 #110

I'm not scolding anyone Sundance1220 Dec 2024 #119

I find it very sad and disheartening. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #67

Agreed. Some punishment seems appropriate. brush Dec 2024 #78

Then blame the DA for overcharging Sundance1220 Dec 2024 #100

FWIW, right wingers on various forums see no difference and explicitly make the comparison. 4th Dec 2024 #76

Thanks. Agreed. There seems to be whiff of maga here on DU of all places. brush Dec 2024 #77

Not all deaths require prison manicdem Dec 2024 #79

Penny and no one else in that car knew anything about his past... brush Dec 2024 #83

Skittles lame54 Dec 2024 #80

The way the authorities handled them lame54 Dec 2024 #81

One was out looking to kill, one was out looking for trouble, and one jumped in and potentially saved lives n/t Polybius Dec 2024 #84

But didn't have sense enough to know not to choke someone for six minutes. brush Dec 2024 #87

Seems closer to the cop that killed Sewa Dec 2024 #92

That cop that killed Mr. Floyd Sundance1220 Dec 2024 #101

He still caused his death. It's blatant white, male privilege and obvious racism... brush Dec 2024 #112

As someone who lost a lot of friends on DU over Zimmerman Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #95

Serious Answer: Zimmerman & Rittenhouse were charged with crimes of intent. Penny was not. mathematic Dec 2024 #98

And Mangione. CrispyQ Dec 2024 #104

None, they're all ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #106

Your broad brush is annoying happy feet Dec 2024 #108

It wasn't like I thought, I thought he would be passed out within a minute, but he wasn't. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #118