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DontBelieveEastisEas

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113. I said I would stay in the choke position, that does not mean continuing to choke. And the fact may be that

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:15 PM

5 hrs ago

less than a minute of actual choking may have caused this outcome.
I am not going to assume the jury was racist. I hope they were allowed to remain anonymous.

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Seriously, what's the difference between Penny, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse? [View all] brush Monday OP

People have more experience with an irrational person in crisis on public transportation than actively hunting WhiskeyGrinder Monday #1

Yes. The cases are a lot closer than they first seem to be... brush Monday #3

The little I know about the case Just_Vote_Dem Monday #6

So do I. B.See Monday #20

Involuntary manslaughter. Lunabell Monday #47

I thought our aspiration here WAS to keep people out of jail. yagotme Monday #7

Oh, please, the man caused the death of another person. brush Monday #8

No, he didn't. Seeking Serenity Monday #12

Well, sorry you feel that way... nt yagotme Monday #21

DA overcharged Sundance1220 14 hrs ago #97

Both Zimmerman and Rittenhouse went looking for trouble. BlueTsunami2018 Monday #2

So no punishment at all for causing a man's death? brush Monday #4

Penny didn't cause Neely's death. Seeking Serenity Monday #11

Oh, really, choking him for six minutes within an inch of death... brush Monday #15

He wasn't "choking" him. The ME, when she first autopsied Neely's body, Seeking Serenity Monday #35

No. She testified the chokehold was the sole cause of Neely's death Quiet Em Monday #55

After her written report couldn't determine a cause of death Seeking Serenity Monday #63

She did not. Quiet Em Monday #65

It was the jury's opinion, verdict, that he wasn't guilty of the charges MarineCombatEngineer Monday #16

Do you agree that causing another man's death should go unpunished? brush Monday #19

I don't know enough about this case to render an opinion and I have zero interest in learning any more about it. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #25

Lots of time that is true EX500rider Monday #59

In that scenario, no. But not having enough sense to know not to choke... brush Monday #71

Yes, when twelve people sit in judgement of another Dumpy Monday #69

Ok. But there's still a dead body he caused. Nice dodge though. brush Monday #74

no dodge, follow the law and rules of the justice system. Dumpy Tuesday #93

The rules of the justice system allows consequences, in fact most often calls for them for causing the death... brush Tuesday #94

Yes, except in the case of self defense, or the defense of others. yagotme 15 hrs ago #96

Apparently not. BlueTsunami2018 Monday #28

you asked what the difference was. NoRethugFriends Monday #58

Should Jordan Williams have been charged for killing someone? Dr. Strange 14 hrs ago #103

+1 Celerity Tuesday #86

All three were acquitted by juries, so no differences there. n/t MichMan Monday #5

So state an opinion. Is that a good thing? brush Monday #10

Yes, it is. I am in no way in favour of innocent people being put in prison. Seeking Serenity Monday #14

Causing another person's death, though well-intentioned... brush Monday #26

He wasn't "choking" him. Seeking Serenity Monday #40

I remember trolls here on DU fought tooth and nail for Rittenhouse. Kingofalldems Monday #9

I was not on the jury, but maybe they know something we don't. DontBelieveEastisEas Monday #82

It's just how it is Sympthsical Tuesday #85

What's the difference Cirsium Monday #13

Should or should not is moot at this point. Seeking Serenity Monday #18

Hard to keep track Cirsium Monday #24

Not a murder. Seeking Serenity Monday #45

Deaths Cirsium Monday #73

Keep reading the thread. Most seem to thing he should go unpunished. brush Monday #30

I'm sorry, but this case wasn't on my radar. Maybe too much election stuff. LeftInTX Monday #17

I love this idea of "should be found guilty of something" Seeking Serenity Monday #23

What do you think should happen to a person who caused another's death... brush Monday #31

Investigated. If charges are warranted, file a bill of particulars. Seeking Serenity Monday #52

So we jail people for what 'might' happen now? Ontheboundry 14 hrs ago #105

White male privilege and racism, pure and simple. Inocent of all charges after causing a Black man's death. brush 13 hrs ago #109

That don't answer my q Ontheboundry 12 hrs ago #111

Bernie G. went looking for targets. yagotme Monday #29

He didn't have enough sense to know that choking someone for six... brush Monday #34

Obviously, the jury thought differently. yagotme Monday #36

There were attempts to politicize it, but it never caught fire. Sneederbunk Monday #41

Lack of evidence or evidence contradicting a murder charge. Pretty simple to those who know American law. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Monday #22

And he wasn't charged with murder. Seeking Serenity Monday #27

Good thing he did nothing. Just like the guy who was unfortunately near the NYC CEO. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Monday #32

A dead body from a choke hold for six minutes is a lack of evidence?Z brush Monday #37

The ability to defend yourself from an aggressor, physical or not, has been enshrined in law millennia ago. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #44

The guy didn't have eonugh sense to know choking someone for six minutes... brush Monday #49

I've gone through CQC training; It's entirely possible to be "Choked" for six minutes without losing consciousness Hellbound Hellhound Monday #51

Everyone's ignoring your "Elephant" for a reason. The color of someone's skin doesn't change the fact Hellbound Hellhound Monday #57

Nice attitude, dude. (sarcasm gif here.) brush Monday #62

I think it speaks to how political "justice" is. DJ Synikus Makisimus Monday #33

Maybe racism too. Reverse the choker and the chokee... brush Monday #39

To do (or not) racism is a political choice DJ Synikus Makisimus Monday #53

True enough. I think it was at play in this case. brush Monday #56

A black man was also involved in restraining Neely Seeking Serenity Monday #61

He didn't administer a choke hold for six minutes. brush Monday #66

You may be right. It may be that they would have wrongly convicted the black man. DontBelieveEastisEas Tuesday #88

Yeah, he held it too long. Six minutes. It was reported on cable... brush Tuesday #89

"even after authorities arrived" you'd think they would have told him to let go! DontBelieveEastisEas Tuesday #90

Emergency Medical corp got ther first I take it, not much detail in the cable report. brush Tuesday #91

Are you saying you'd keep choking for six minutes or more until authrities arrived? brush 13 hrs ago #107

I said I would stay in the choke position, that does not mean continuing to choke. And the fact may be that DontBelieveEastisEas 5 hrs ago #113

He caused a death. Went Scott free with not even a wrist slap of a jail... brush 5 hrs ago #114

If you argue that restraint would have been considered necessary by a significant portion of rational people, then if DontBelieveEastisEas 4 hrs ago #115

Penny went too far. Didn't have enough sense to not choke someone.. brush 4 hrs ago #116

I agree with you, if your premise is right, "six minutes of choke time" Is there any testimony where they said the choke DontBelieveEastisEas 4 hrs ago #117

Not necessarily cabotnn22 14 hrs ago #102

He didn't use a gun, but beyond that not much. alarimer Monday #38

Agreed. Hate to be his wife or girlfriend. brush Monday #42

Penny's use of deadly force was sustained and persistent despite others attempting RockRaven Monday #43

The "others" were ASSISTING him, that I could see. yagotme Monday #50

He killed a homeless black man Bettie Monday #46

He killed a psychopathic serial sexual assaulter who happened to be poor. Race irrelevant. Fixed that for you. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #48

Wow. You're a nice guy. (sarcasm gif here). brush Monday #54

You're right, I am. What, you want I should lower my morality to meet the lowest denominator? Hellbound Hellhound Monday #60

Again, sarcasm gif here. Dead body from someone not having enough sense to release... brush Monday #64

Sarcasm is a refuge of a weak mind and an incapable soul. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #70

Give it a rest. We know by now with your posts where you stand. brush Monday #72

Ugh Quiet Em Monday #75

We seem to disagree on what higher standards are. brush Monday #68

Are we now pretending he was just Sundance1220 14 hrs ago #99

He was acting erratic and yes, he was bothering people Bettie 12 hrs ago #110

I find it very sad and disheartening. Quiet Em Monday #67

Agreed. Some punishment seems appropriate. brush Monday #78

Then blame the DA for overcharging Sundance1220 14 hrs ago #100

FWIW, right wingers on various forums see no difference and explicitly make the comparison. 4th Monday #76

Thanks. Agreed. There seems to be whiff of maga here on DU of all places. brush Monday #77

Not all deaths require prison manicdem Monday #79

Penny and no one else in that car knew anything about his past... brush Tuesday #83

Skittles lame54 Monday #80

The way the authorities handled them lame54 Monday #81

One was out looking to kill, one was out looking for trouble, and one jumped in and potentially saved lives n/t Polybius Tuesday #84

But didn't have sense enough to know not to choke someone for six minutes. brush Tuesday #87

Seems closer to the cop that killed Sewa Tuesday #92

That cop that killed Mr. Floyd Sundance1220 14 hrs ago #101

He still caused his death. It's blatant white, male privilege and obvious racism... brush 5 hrs ago #112

As someone who lost a lot of friends on DU over Zimmerman Blue_Tires Tuesday #95

Serious Answer: Zimmerman & Rittenhouse were charged with crimes of intent. Penny was not. mathematic 14 hrs ago #98

And Mangione. CrispyQ 14 hrs ago #104

None, they're all ThePartyThatListens 14 hrs ago #106

Your broad brush is annoying happy feet 13 hrs ago #108

It wasn't like I thought, I thought he would be passed out within a minute, but he wasn't. DontBelieveEastisEas 4 hrs ago #118