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demmiblue

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Fri Mar 28, 2025, 10:25 AM Mar 2025

Hi. I'm an expert in modernizing legacy government software systems. This is profoundly stupid and will definitely fail [View all]

Waldo Jaquith
‪@waldo.net‬

Hi. I’m an expert in modernizing legacy government software systems. This is profoundly stupid and will definitely fail, and it’s just a question of whether our social security system fails along with it.

‪makena kelly‬ ‪@makenakelly.bsky.social‬·1h

SCOOP: DOGE wants to rebuild SSA's codebase in months, risking benefits and system collapse, sources tell me.

The plan is to migrate all systems off COBOL quickly which would likely require the use of generative AI.
www.wired.com/story/doge-r...

DOGE Plans to Rebuild SSA Codebase In Months, Risking Benefits and System Collapse
Social Security systems contain tens of millions of lines of code written in COBOL, an archaic programming language. Safely rewriting that code would take years—DOGE wants it done in months.
www.wired.com

March 28, 2025 at 10:54 AM



What is the problem this is solving? There’s no problem with COBOL. It’s an actively maintained language that’s designed to do exactly what it’s doing at SSA.

The reason government has a lot of mainframes running COBOL is because they're actually really good at doing their jobs. Sure, they're hard to modernize and that's part of why they persist, but mostly it's because they get the work done.

I cannot think of a single legitimate reason for DOGE to perform such a modernization, especially on such a time scale. A lot of my work is around helping agencies triage how to deal with old systems. If the old system works, *leave it alone*! Start with stuff that's broken!

My assumption is that this SSA play is a continuation of the Treasury play—create a technical chokepoint for the flow of money to allow individuals or groups to be punished extralegally. "We're just rewriting the system in Java" has got to be a fig leaf covering the real goal of fascism.


* Waldo Jaquith- Thought follower. Public servant. Male software developer. Alumnus of 18F, the Obama White House, Georgetown's Beeck Center, U.S. Digital Response, the Biden-Harris Transition Team, and the Biden administration. He/him. Charlottesville, VA, USA.
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LMAO I Learned COBOL On A Vax 11-780 Back In The Mid 80's... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #1
Yup. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #14
The Assembly Language Set Of The Vax 11/780 Was A Magnficent Beast! MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #16
I was the summer sys admin Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #18
I taught for Digital Equipment Corporation MurrayDelph Mar 2025 #21
Ahh . . . Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #23
Me, too MurrayDelph Mar 2025 #33
Same shape - Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #42
We must have been at UCLA around the same time wackadoo wabbit Mar 2025 #45
I don't remember what system was used to teach COBOL when I learned it Klondike Kat Mar 2025 #27
I Adored Computer Science... One Of My Favorite Books As A Sophomore Was An Early Tome On Complier Optimization. MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #41
Ooops! Sorry. defacto7 Mar 2025 #2
"We had to destroy the system in order to 'save' it....." lastlib Mar 2025 #20
Ok, is the writer (not implying the OP author) of the piece just naive? harumph Mar 2025 #3
Not as easily hackable because script kiddies don't know it, can't fathom it. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #15
Exactly what I asked here: sinkingfeeling Mar 2025 #4
The only reason to do this is for Musk to get an enormous government contract to do the work. Lonestarblue Mar 2025 #5
Eugenics. Social Security takes from Technology Development. haele Mar 2025 #22
It's not stupid if your endgame is to crash the system. IrishAfricanAmerican Mar 2025 #6
Exactly. They have zero ability to improve SSA. Girard442 Mar 2025 #38
Deliberately breaking it so it must be discarded. Bull in a china shop. lindysalsagal Mar 2025 #7
Can people in there save the code for later restoration? nt AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #8
Yes...hopefully angrychair Mar 2025 #17
Elon wants to break it so he alone can fix it - for billions of dollars in fees and future contracts dalton99a Mar 2025 #9
Talk about waste, fraud, & abuse... snot Mar 2025 #10
It's planned to fail. yardwork Mar 2025 #11
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2025 #34
The tech babies don't know COBOL Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #12
Honestly, how are they authorized to do this work? Prairie Gates Mar 2025 #13
This will fail angrychair Mar 2025 #19
Messing up initially is part of the plan JCMach1 Mar 2025 #24
All intentional JCMach1 Mar 2025 #25
Bank robbers pretending to fix a bank vault that is not broken. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #26
Looks like something to keep DOGE looking busy...or as noted in the article, something worse. dutch777 Mar 2025 #28
This is Elon we're talking about Johnny2X2X Mar 2025 #29
I know nothin about computer systems-other than I want them to work. Thanks to those who gave info above. riversedge Mar 2025 #30
Remember the Twitter takeover? I watched from afar, but it sure looked like deliberate vandalism to me. Hekate Mar 2025 #31
Kick SheltieLover Mar 2025 #32
Nominee for SSA is CEO of Fiserv a payment services company kkmarie Mar 2025 #35
This project will take off like a Space X rocket Xipe Totec Mar 2025 #36
If it ain't broke don't fix it Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2025 #37
I absolutely agree. Profoundly stupid and will definitely fail. Jim__ Mar 2025 #39
Yep, old timer COBOL programmer here from years ago... Dan Mar 2025 #40
Musk's whole "career" features episodes of radical recoding of systems, with unpredictable results Emrys Mar 2025 #43
So are we all f**ked?? vapor2 Mar 2025 #44
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