2016 Postmortem

guillaumeb

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3. Rude pundit really needs to discover the difference between fact and opinion.

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:28 PM

Nov 2016

Rude pundit is funny, but funny does not equate to correct.

And if 90% of white American are working class, does that mean that one automatically assumes that they cannot be reached?

And I am not a sanctimonious GOP voter, I am a member of the working class who knows many other members of the white working class. True, I am a unionized white working class voter, which does make some difference. Union workers and black voters were the backbone of the Democratic Party for many years. And yes, racism is a huge problem in the US, but it does not explain everything. Economic insecurity is a big problem also, and when people are insecure they become less tolerant.

Recommended anyway because Rude Pundit is funny.
Thanks sheshe for your excellent choice of material.

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Fuck the white working class [View all] sheshe2 Nov 2016 OP

Apologies to Amazon jungle tribesmen, I presume... Beartracks Nov 2016 #1

Just my thought. pangaia Nov 2016 #13

The OP seems to think so melman Nov 2016 #17

plus a billion and this anti identity politics posturing on here and in the Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #2

Don't you know.. JHan Nov 2016 #26

Dog whistle and it's sick and it's right here at du lunasun Nov 2016 #36

Rude pundit really needs to discover the difference between fact and opinion. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #3

No one says 90% can not be reached. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #8

I did read it and I recognize your situation sheshe. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #10

For Sweden that used to be true, back when there were fewer immigrants in the country mythology Nov 2016 #29

I am aware and thank you for referencing that. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #66

I was going to say. Beat me to it. Ligyron Nov 2016 #105

Your "Fuck the White Working Class" says EXACTLY that.. whathehell Nov 2016 #56

The white dudes cannot be reached. Period. Forget it. duffyduff Nov 2016 #9

I respect your opinions, but the term working class is necessary in the US guillaumeb Nov 2016 #11

The trouble is people like Sanders see the situation only in terms of economics. duffyduff Nov 2016 #15

But the term "middle class" is meaningless. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #19

Im a Marxist, Karl Marx was my friend and, DuffyDuff, Bernie Sanders is no KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #49

Maybe they meant he's a follower of Groucho? A Marx Brothers-ist? aidbo Nov 2016 #76

Bernie is only a marxist to conservatives. dionysus Dec 2016 #123

Republicans want us to ignore differences about race and democrats want us to ignore class hollowdweller Dec 2016 #164

No they can't, my parents recently had dinner with these types. Initech Nov 2016 #20

Calling liberals marxists is what red baiting RWers and 3rd Wayers do... dionysus Dec 2016 #116

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #146

Huh? The Third Way is the think tank carrying on the old DLC torch. What on *earth* dionysus Dec 2016 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author fun n serious Dec 2016 #149

Uh... okayyyyyyyy.... dionysus Dec 2016 #155

Well, I will show you... fun n serious Dec 2016 #156

A majority of working class whites still voted Democratic for most (or even all) offices for decades YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #165

Rebuild and expand Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #4

So tired of all the hate. mia Nov 2016 #5

Seriously melman Nov 2016 #18

And it's really disgusting... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #23

Most definitely! True Dough Dec 2016 #133

Totally agree nt Raine Nov 2016 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Akacia Nov 2016 #47

Yes, the hate that's illustrated by the OP, for instance.. whathehell Nov 2016 #64

In many posts Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #102

It's pretty decent trolling, as lots of people, sadly, are buying it. dionysus Dec 2016 #124

Hmm, and some wonder why we lost the election. frankieallen Nov 2016 #87

Yep the hate Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #101

You forgot 'inbred' Dems to Win Nov 2016 #108

That term does not include progressive whites who may be working class. Come on, you know that. brush Dec 2016 #128

I hope the tide is turning on this generalizing, mia True Dough Dec 2016 #131

+ infinity OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #158

They all need to wake up and realize radical noodle Nov 2016 #6

Nobody had a majority this election. Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #12

They hold the house, Senate, whitehouse, and most state govs... And you say we won? Amishman Nov 2016 #58

agreed %100 !! frankieallen Nov 2016 #88

It's not our tone or message fun n serious Dec 2016 #154

Exactly. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #160

You would think no working class white guys voted Dem listening to these fools. dionysus Dec 2016 #117

Fucking perfect and 100% right on! boguspotus Nov 2016 #7

Huh? Do you say all working class white guys voted for that nazi? Wtf? dionysus Dec 2016 #118

Fuck them? Maybe not. But waste energy by reaching out? No. Barack_America Nov 2016 #14

if Trump's voters trended wealthier than usual, then it seems odd to blame it on the working class fishwax Nov 2016 #16

so, like the last article you posted, which had the same message about "fuck such and such" JCanete Nov 2016 #21

Yup with that attitude we better get used to being out of power Raine Nov 2016 #25

You're right True Dough Dec 2016 #132

1000!!!! I was thinking and posted very similar thoughts earlier. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #22

This.. this is what fucking frustrates me.. JHan Nov 2016 #27

Does that include those of us who voted for Hillary, donated, and Pathwalker Nov 2016 #28

First of all, I am white. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #34

And happen to be male? Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #103

Calling this fact is silly mythology Nov 2016 #30

Wrong...just like you they RESENT being told what they can/can't do, say, think, feel, believe, etc NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #31

Yes!!! Akacia Nov 2016 #50

I have noticed this too. The Democratic Party has taken on a wide but JimBeard Nov 2016 #51

Hi, what do you mean by your last line? uppityperson Nov 2016 #71

I don't know what happened when I tried to loggback on. I had 1,500 post before the crash. JimBeard Nov 2016 #72

I found your previous account, it is different from this one, a different profile # and all uppityperson Nov 2016 #77

Very true Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #104

Needless slam of Amazonians aside, I agree 100%. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #32

I have to say....I find it hard to sympathize with the "angry white voters" Coventina Nov 2016 #33

Coventina! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #35

I know, right? Trump ran the angriest, most violent campaign since the civil war Coventina Nov 2016 #43

;) sheshe2 Nov 2016 #44

-grin- Coventina Nov 2016 #45

Honey, you rock! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #46

As do you!!! Coventina Nov 2016 #61

If you can't acknowledge the struggles of others... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #59

Oh please spare me. The white, straight, Christian man's struggles. Coventina Nov 2016 #62

Your response is comical... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #63

Um, excuse me but the people you describe voted for TRUMP (by huge majorities) Coventina Nov 2016 #68

And why didn't they vote for our team? TCJ70 Nov 2016 #74

There was no lack of messaging to address their concerns. Hillary had publicly posted plans to Squinch Nov 2016 #81

Thank you! You said it much better than I would have! N/t Coventina Nov 2016 #99

I disagree! I've seen your posts around this issue, and feel that your voice is one that Squinch Nov 2016 #100

Do you think poverty is limited to the white trailer park? Do you think that the jobs that are Squinch Nov 2016 #79

Of course I don't think that... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #80

Yep. We are all struggling with exactly the same forces. And yet most of us were responsible Squinch Nov 2016 #82

In essence, old guy Nov 2016 #106

Really they want a fairy godmother, and they've put a tiara on his head and a wand in his hand. Squinch Nov 2016 #112

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about oberliner Nov 2016 #78

I am a member of the white working class, and I think Coventina is dead right. Squinch Nov 2016 #83

You are both entitled to your opinions oberliner Nov 2016 #86

There is nothing progressive about pandering to the kind of ignorance, bigotry and Squinch Nov 2016 #94

Agreed oberliner Nov 2016 #95

K&R! betsuni Nov 2016 #37

Now THAT is how I feel. rusty quoin Nov 2016 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Akacia Nov 2016 #39

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #40

She lost the EC by 100,000 votes... that's not losing the presidency that's a margin uponit7771 Nov 2016 #41

Haters gonna hate. nt jalan48 Nov 2016 #42

Praise the working class. mia Nov 2016 #48

Fuck the Rude Pundit and anyone who wants to "fuck" any group.of Americans based on race & class whathehell Nov 2016 #52

Then make it about money greymattermom Nov 2016 #53

Sounds good to me.. whathehell Nov 2016 #54

Trying to divide people is never a good idea nolabels Nov 2016 #55

Tell it to the OP whathehell Nov 2016 #57

Rude Pundit is a college professor, i believe. dionysus Dec 2016 #125

What is, and how do you identify a 'white working class' ? nolabels Nov 2016 #60

The kickback to the OP is absolutely predictable NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #65

A lot of these counties that went heavily Trump were heavily Obama Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Nov 2016 #73

correct, so I would like someone to explain how all these millions of enlighten obama supporters frankieallen Nov 2016 #89

They want more than incremental change alarimer Nov 2016 #107

Couldn't agree more...if Dems try to work with the majority unitedwethrive Nov 2016 #69

So, let america suffer just to drive a guy from office? Hmm, who did that last... dionysus Dec 2016 #126

The problem is the "white working class" is in coalition with the Kleptocrat billionaires who... johnnyrocket Nov 2016 #70

. Iggo Nov 2016 #75

The problem is.... vi5 Nov 2016 #84

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #85

we have a real need demtenjeep Nov 2016 #90

So I guess it's all right to ALSO FUCK all of the MINORITIES BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #91

Black folks, women and gays have been hearing about how terrible and awful "identity politics" are Number23 Nov 2016 #92

You are here. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #93

Truth. Unadulterated. joshcryer Nov 2016 #96

And now you are complaining in another thread whistler162 Nov 2016 #97

What--did she touch a nerve? ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #98

There is a trend, whistler True Dough Dec 2016 #134

K&R Gothmog Nov 2016 #109

White working class said "Fuck You!" to you, with some power behind it. Want more? Dems to Win Nov 2016 #110

FYI- people are sharing this link as "Why [we] Democrats Lose: The Thread" jake335544 Nov 2016 #111

K&R samir.g Dec 2016 #113

They're already fucked. Orsino Dec 2016 #114

Yes, they were already fucked and to stupid to know that. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #129

I'm white working class, dem voter for life, and Rude can go fuck himself. dionysus Dec 2016 #115

Well ... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #119

These days you can't tell with all the rhetoric flying around! dionysus Dec 2016 #120

I am or at least was white working class. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #121

Well the trumpistas are only a portion of the white working class, and i doubt a majority... dionysus Dec 2016 #122

Rude was talking about Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2016 #166

Well said. I agree. F*** 'em. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #127

Current sitting Prez Go Vols Dec 2016 #130

Point? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #135

Its not opinion Go Vols Dec 2016 #136

................. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #138

lol Go Vols Dec 2016 #139

or this Go Vols Dec 2016 #140

Now THAT would make for a nice bumpersticker. Throd 2.0 Dec 2016 #137

As a white working class voter NobodyHere Dec 2016 #141

And why this thread didn't get locked. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #143

What rule does it violate? George II Dec 2016 #145

At least three from what I can tell. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #148

You're probably not familiar with the Rude Pundit, from which the OP quoted... George II Dec 2016 #150

I was unaware OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #157

I don't necessarily agree with the nature of the language used by the Rude Pundit, but... George II Dec 2016 #159

It didn't get locked because too many people here agree with it's premise (nt) jack_krass Dec 2016 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author jack_krass Dec 2016 #152

Are you kidding me? OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #142

Trump said what? :) morganallen Dec 2016 #144

I'm starting to feel unwelcome here jzodda Dec 2016 #153

It's going to be a tough four years for Americans, especially minorities. jalan48 Dec 2016 #162

I fear you are correct, yagotme Dec 2016 #167

Not good to say 'f***' to an entire group of people ram2016 Dec 2016 #161

Sounds like a republican ranting about black people. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #163