2016 Postmortem

Exilednight

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110. Again, you got so much wrong.

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:47 PM

Nov 2016

As for your last, didn't I just point out that virtually all liberals, from the founding of our nation right up through today believe in progressive government? You know, the government of, by and for the people thing? You don't get more progressive than that.

That's classic liberalism, not progressivism.

Progressivism is a separate political philosophy.

I'm actually a liberal, not a progressive. I don't believe we are genetically hard wired to believe one thing vs another - that's a progressive (for some because it is controversial in the progressive field) belief. I believe we can actually change the way people approach problems and even change the way they analyze things.

I'll use your own example:

Progressives look for a way to make college affordable for students.

Liberals look for ways to eliminate the cost of college for students.

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Would this have been so horrible? [View all] Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 OP

the democratic primary is over nt msongs Nov 2016 #1

LOL!!! Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #2

Tell that to all of the posters Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #83

Let's begin vocab 101 then. "Liberal base," Spitfire? Hortensis Nov 2016 #89

And minority voters are the biggest part of that base. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #93

Not really, PnwMom. Half of all minorities are conservative Hortensis Nov 2016 #94

what you describe as liberal is actually a progressive. Exilednight Nov 2016 #96

"They," Exiled? I am a lifelong strong liberal and Hortensis Nov 2016 #97

There is so much wrong with your statement. Exilednight Nov 2016 #98

Wow, great post hueymahl Nov 2016 #99

Ancient Greece and Rome had no concept of equality or Hortensis Nov 2016 #107

Our Constitution had a form of hierarchy, too. Exilednight Nov 2016 #108

Yes, we did have conservative founders and, not Hortensis Nov 2016 #109

Again, you got so much wrong. Exilednight Nov 2016 #110

No. There's no reason someone can't develop a Hortensis Nov 2016 #111

These words have actual definitions. theyre not labels, they're words Exilednight Nov 2016 #112

One must win the primary to run in the general election. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #3

We leaned after Florida in 2000 it helps to have your campaign manager run the election. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #5

Ah.... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #9

Play that for yourself.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #10

Nah.... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #13

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #14

Keep that up BainsBane Nov 2016 #84

Remember, the "manipulation" started when Sanders' campaign hacked into Clinton's DNC database! George II Nov 2016 #86

You feel "vindicated" because Donald Trump won? George II Nov 2016 #85

So fucked up bravenak Nov 2016 #91

Simon & Garfunkle? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #4

That's why he couldn't get young people to support him. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #6

Not the majority multi-racial coalition. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #7

Yup! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #8

Facing why he lost causes them to meltdown. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #16

He lost because the attitude was the Party belongs to the Clintons.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #20

He lost because he is a terrible organizer and a one-note candidate. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #22

There are some here that would prefer Bernie over Trump.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #27

That doesn't even make sense. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #28

Sure it does.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #36

Of course. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #39

"diversity is tokenism" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #42

All of his quotes on the subject. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #45

So you think that means he's a racist? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #49

No, it means he is out of touch and used a losing strategy. I'm so sad this is so hard for you. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #52

We heard the "McGovern" argument back then too.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #58

Well, McGovern lost. I was only 2 years old at the time Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #60

So you know the "pattern" the media uses is bogus.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #66

the change is california is because of demographic changes. whites left the state JI7 Nov 2016 #69

CA demographics have changed the electoral population here. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #71

This just proves my point that the country is a lot more Liberal than some think.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #72

I thought you wanted to flip rural voters? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #76

I'm a classic Blue Collar Democrat.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #77

I am too. This one was great: Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #78

The rank and file preferred Bernie. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #79

Nope. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #80

This is purely anecdotal from me... JHan Nov 2016 #102

Same here. Very little skin in the game. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #103

No, the rank and file in the DNC is minorities and single white women and they did NOT prefer uponit7771 Nov 2016 #106

The last speech I heard in a union hall was Tom Harkin in 1992 LisaM Nov 2016 #101

When you are done with your little roll on the floor.... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #26

Sheila Jackson Lee on your list? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #29

I told you a few off the top of my head. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #34

How about a visit to the Progressive Caucus? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #43

After your performance in this thread, no thanks. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #54

See? You feel you don't need us to win. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #56

Wow....I love your comment!!!!! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #63

You wouldn't have to call yourself "Progressive" if you stopped thinking of "Liberal" as bad. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #67

Is this suppose to mean something? sheshe2 Nov 2016 #73

I've met a lot of people who run from the label. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #74

Oooookkkkkk sheshe2 Nov 2016 #75

I have several friends as well that felt that way. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #21

I voted for her..... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #25

To listen to Hillary supporters you'd think Bernie is as racist as Trump. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #11

Sad strawman is sad. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #12

You didn't notice that? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #15

That you didn't understand what I posted? That was glaringly obvious. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #17

Deflect much? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #18

What did I deflect? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #19

Did you ever even listen to his stump speech? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #23

He only had the one speech-I heard it several times. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #24

It's all a formula with you? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #31

Bernie told stories about people too. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #33

Now you know why Bernie crashed and burned. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #35

Uh huh, let's use the word "leftmost" as a slur. That'll attract the youth vote. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #38

Um, what? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #41

You call this an argument? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #44

No, it's really just like watching a little kid hitting himself. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #46

So you refuse to accept we would be better off... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #47

Are you fucking high? moda253 Nov 2016 #95

I noticed you posted a strawman. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #30

I saw it here as well.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #32

No, you saw AA posters offering Bernie advice on how to reach out to AA voters better emulatorloo Nov 2016 #37

Wrong. Example: Hillary supporters claimed pictures of him weren't him. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #40

So? It was based on an MSM story, Was quickly disproven and nobody said that meant he was a "racist" emulatorloo Nov 2016 #48

Claiming this wasn't him.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #53

Some of us remember. Some choose not to. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #57

hey, We are both Bernie people, and I just hate reliving the bad old days emulatorloo Nov 2016 #62

It's the autopsy.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #68

And maybe more beer. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #70

1000 sheshe2 Nov 2016 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #51

Does the term "Troll" ever occur to you? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #59

Back in the 70s the Democratic Party was very disorganized.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #61

Hilarious! I don't think it will be bad as that this time! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #65

It's bad... Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #81

There is something called elections BainsBane Nov 2016 #82

Republicans and every third party shithead voter out there ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #87

Excuse me, but those Sanders supporters and self identified progressives get trump because still_one Nov 2016 #88

Plus a billion bravenak Nov 2016 #90

I Blame Them 100% otohara Nov 2016 #92

Hillary lost those states because she ran a terrible campaign hueymahl Nov 2016 #100

Bernie could never get enough swing voting moderates to win NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #104

The verse that always stuck with me was despairing: "Kathy I'm lost I said, tho I knew she was .... Hekate Nov 2016 #105