2016 Postmortem

jimlup

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54. Paper trails don't appear to actually matter

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 08:39 AM

Dec 2016

as we observed in Michigan this year.

I have been a Michigan precinct captain several times. We have paper ballots that feed into scanning machines. But as we observed in Detroit this year... if the total number of votes don't match the number of paper ballots the recount is disallowed (??) Only anti-democratic Republican irrationals could pass such a law but in Michigan they have succeeded in doing just that.

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BOOOOM!! "hackers are believed to have penetrated at least one state voter-registration database" [View all] uponit7771 Dec 2016 OP

LOL! The Obama administration doesn't scramble. underthematrix Dec 2016 #1

My take? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #2

ABSOLUTELY !! Putin has hated democracy and Obama for going to Russia and claiming that he'd uponit7771 Dec 2016 #3

K&R Achilleaze Dec 2016 #6

I am betting that it was California HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #4

I think its the same for Florida no? uponit7771 Dec 2016 #5

Not as far as I know HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #9

It is for Michigan. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #85

Illinois & Arizona? Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #17

oh yeah! they hacked it for hillary! certainot Dec 2016 #29

Hopefully, Russian tinkering will lead to paper trails and more secure voting methods aikoaiko Dec 2016 #7

... you know, there's something still there inside me that says it will and the utlitmate uponit7771 Dec 2016 #8

Who is going to make this change - Congress? The White House? Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #18

If Russian intervention in polling were documented, it could inflame enough Republicans to act aikoaiko Dec 2016 #20

Not when their guy won. Richard D Dec 2016 #31

I'm not convinced that a sizable portion of Republicans think of Trump as their guy. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #34

But they very much think of Pence as their guy. Trump is just the bright shiny distraction. Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #39

dream on. it will NEVER happen, because repugs like it this way. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #42

Exactly. TheLibIn615 Dec 2016 #23

The states? OnionPatch Dec 2016 #32

Paper trails don't appear to actually matter jimlup Dec 2016 #54

it's not who votes that count, it's who counts the votes. that has been proven beyond a shadow of a TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #75

I sure hope this all comes out. femmocrat Dec 2016 #10

My take? mountain grammy Dec 2016 #11

So how did they rig Michigan with their paper ballots? mythology Dec 2016 #14

Suppression mountain grammy Dec 2016 #27

Come on! triron Dec 2016 #33

um, when were the paper ballots counted by hand/eye? nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #43

this help? Botany Dec 2016 #52

WOW, I read about the machines breaking down ... 75,000 votes not counted !!! SMDH uponit7771 Dec 2016 #62

The real story behind the 2016 election is not only the Russian hacking, Comey, and a shit bag .... Botany Dec 2016 #72

yes. this. we need to replace ACORN nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #79

It's indeed almost certainly what happened. tenorly Dec 2016 #16

He kept bragging that it was rigged; we just misinterpreted his words. Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #19

Now you're getting it Hekate Dec 2016 #28

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #61

My thoughts are what are they going to do to stop this next time? AND stop other threats that Maraya1969 Dec 2016 #12

you're catching on... nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #44

And was that the I.T. /data firm that was in London that was staffed by Russians and Trump was ... Botany Dec 2016 #13

Or they messed with the data and then restored it after it was no longer needed. KamaAina Dec 2016 #15

Yes... I don't believe for a split second the just looked and went away uponit7771 Dec 2016 #50

I don't know why we are being so cautious about this issue. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #21

I've known it all along. joanbarnes Dec 2016 #22

We are playing politics... world wide wally Dec 2016 #24

Exactly! ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #25

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #47

This post might win DU Election 2016 for-EVER. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #55

MSM? Cracklin Charlie Dec 2016 #26

Most important news today: Lindsay Graham & John McCain in Estonia, telling US reporters... Hekate Dec 2016 #30

I also wonder who the 1 holdout might be...? nm AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #35

Drip, Drip, Drip Snarkoleptic Dec 2016 #36

Enough Is Enough colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #37

dems are mostly useless stooges. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #45

I've been saying since before the election that Trump's "rigged election" claims were just like Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #38

+1,000,000...He's a traitor and needs to be charged for treason against this country. nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #40

Voter registration lists are public records. longship Dec 2016 #41

Not the last minute stuff... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #49

What the fuck are the last minute stuff? longship Dec 2016 #51

provisional shit, read post 52, 87 machines don't just "break down" uponit7771 Dec 2016 #63

So there's no same day voting or same day registration where you worked? If the Voters get uponit7771 Dec 2016 #64

Well, I just don't buy conspiracy theories. longship Dec 2016 #66

You can't rig the vote with access to the registration database. Takket Dec 2016 #46

If votes aren't registered they can't vote... Bout it right? tia uponit7771 Dec 2016 #48

So they just go home and say "oh well"? FBaggins Dec 2016 #57

YES, 90% of the time or just vote provisional which in each of the states for the recount they uponit7771 Dec 2016 #60

That would make sense a day after the election FBaggins Dec 2016 #67

The same reason they remained silent in 2000 with Florida, 20000 people didn't know they uponit7771 Dec 2016 #69

Hacking to change an election would not be a big operation. Vinca Dec 2016 #53

It would be a massive operation FBaggins Dec 2016 #58

you don't have a clue, besides with russian state resources and tech know-how, it would be easily do TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #76

Russia... Or DHS? We already know DHS tried to hack GA Amishman Dec 2016 #56

I read something like this earlier and it went in one ear and out the other.... there's something uponit7771 Dec 2016 #59

Georgia's voter database was definitely hacked Brainstormy Dec 2016 #65

This is some crazy shit here... they tracked the IP to DHS... most likely have a record of the uponit7771 Dec 2016 #68

There is something wrong going on with the FBI. They refuse to investigate UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #70

Yeap, looks like Comey is complicate at best... the Clinton letter was released while a hacking uponit7771 Dec 2016 #71

GOParty before country; it's pretty obvious. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #77

My take is that this will be a strongly worded letter and not much more. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #73

pretty much. democrats are completely useless. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #78

yeap, I pray me and you are wrong on this uponit7771 Dec 2016 #81

Dept of Homeland Security Warned 25 states KatyBR Dec 2016 #74

nothing to see here folks, move along... nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #80

There it is then !!! Thank you SOOOOOO much for this cause there those who are intimating... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #82

k & r Achilleaze Dec 2016 #83

another kick. Bookmarked. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #84

Kicking this, not letting this go uponit7771 Dec 2016 #86

now we find out hackers triron Dec 2016 #87