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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Bernie, Bernie, Bernie... [View all]Gothmog
(155,157 posts)29. No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump.
Here is a good example Sanders really hurting Clinton. I am still mad at the number of times that trump used Sanders' claims against Clinton. Sanders' baseless charges that the system was fixed and rigged were used by trump to great effect and hurt Clinton http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rigged-system-donald-trump_us_5855cb44e4b08debb7898607?section=us_politics
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
The underlying irony for those who sought to end what they perceived as corruption is that they may well have elected a president whose record through the years and whose actions since the election signal it could be the most openly corrupt administration in generations.....
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
I think he was able to thread a certain toxic needle. But he did win, and were all going to pay the price.
John Weaver, aide to Ohio Gov. John Kasichs presidential campaign
The underlying irony for those who sought to end what they perceived as corruption is that they may well have elected a president whose record through the years and whose actions since the election signal it could be the most openly corrupt administration in generations.....
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
Sanders' bogus rigged process claim hurt a great deal.
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I do NOT blame Bernie. I do blame Comey and the FBI. Bernie after all endorsed Hillary, and
still_one
Jan 2017
#3
A third party has got to be formed at the grass roots level and build up. Shortcuts just fuck us up
bettyellen
Jan 2017
#5
it was a pretty big thing and one of the biggest things pushed against her even on this site
JI7
Jan 2017
#12
It's ridiculous that anyone blames a primary candidate for a general loss
VoicesAcrossAmerica
Jan 2017
#16
That's an accurate view, IMO. Plus, any former Bernie supporters who didn't turn out for her
JudyM
Jan 2017
#18
I might have a bit more insight into what happened on the Sanders side, but think what you need to.
JudyM
Jan 2017
#35
He followed rules. The same cannot be said for her campaign. That's why many lost all enthusiasm
JudyM
Jan 2017
#19
The negative framing of Hillary worked and remained with voters who described voting for her as:
JHan
Jan 2017
#27
LOL, ok if you say so. I'm sure that's what happened. The rust belt went meh because of Bernie.
JudyM
Jan 2017
#28