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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Bernie, Bernie, Bernie... [View all]delisen
(6,544 posts)37. Bernie decided to be the Ralph Nader of 2016. There have been consequences.
The Nader revolt against the "establishment" and the Sanders revolt against the "establishment." Every so many election cycles we relearn the harsh lesson: There is a difference between the two parties.
Clinton connected with enough men and women to win an election by almost 3 million votes.
Bernie Sanders is a big boy. He does not seem to feel harassed. He played hardball politics, heeded some good and he did some damage. He doesn't seem to be worrying about the damage and seems comfortable working within the confines of the new illegitimate government. He is a reformer and that is OK.
I find his vision narrow-and in the tradition of that Democratic Party mistake of 2004 -John Edwards. (Sanders being more ethical however). I myself am not a true believer in any political leader. I think true believers damage Democracy which requires reasoning and judgement in an electorate.
Democracy is under attack in a way it has not been since World War II. We had a gutsy Secretary of State Hillary Clinton who publicly denounced the new authoritarianism in Russia and stood up for free elections. She has paid a political price. Maybe she should have kept her mouth shut, played it safe, ignored human rights, figuring few of us would care anyway, worked out oil deals with Putin.
I suspect Putin would have preferred to hack an election for a pragmatically evil but well-organized person rather than the unpredictable Trump-but we will never know.
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I do NOT blame Bernie. I do blame Comey and the FBI. Bernie after all endorsed Hillary, and
still_one
Jan 2017
#3
A third party has got to be formed at the grass roots level and build up. Shortcuts just fuck us up
bettyellen
Jan 2017
#5
it was a pretty big thing and one of the biggest things pushed against her even on this site
JI7
Jan 2017
#12
It's ridiculous that anyone blames a primary candidate for a general loss
VoicesAcrossAmerica
Jan 2017
#16
That's an accurate view, IMO. Plus, any former Bernie supporters who didn't turn out for her
JudyM
Jan 2017
#18
I might have a bit more insight into what happened on the Sanders side, but think what you need to.
JudyM
Jan 2017
#35
He followed rules. The same cannot be said for her campaign. That's why many lost all enthusiasm
JudyM
Jan 2017
#19
The negative framing of Hillary worked and remained with voters who described voting for her as:
JHan
Jan 2017
#27
LOL, ok if you say so. I'm sure that's what happened. The rust belt went meh because of Bernie.
JudyM
Jan 2017
#28